Gay Adoption (3 Viewers)

[Kate]

It's funny the same people on here that are arguing for gay marriage come from a world that think that simply showing 'love, care and affection' is all that a kid needs. As if, your parenting techniques are proven to be so superior. The same kids that are raised this way still somehow miraculously grow up to lack many things, such as respect for their parents, for the elderly, and for their neighbors. If I had a penny for every time I heard a kid call his mom a bitch and their dad a dick, I'd be am millionaire. If I had a penny for every time an elderly person was disrespected by a kid, I'd be a billionaire and if I had a penny for every time a kid showed a lack of disregard for a neighbor I'd be a trillionaire.

Then there's the whole bastardization of the population, "who's the baby daddy?" problem, and teen pregnancy problem.

Come talk about gay marriage when your heterosexual parenting techniques progress enough to raise civilized children.

There is a different issue here which I agree really does need to be tackled, but that is going to take a long time and in the meantime there are children who need homes. The question of having respect for other people is something that can be taught by both sides.

 

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[JCK]

Before answering any of your questions I still have some un-answered questions I asked last night.

1- Why do we have two genders and not 1?
2- Is it proved genetically that babies are born homosexuals?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/01/homosexuality-genetics-usa

 

[pitbull]

If you know more about the EU then you wouldn't be a smart ass and ask such a question. Currently it is not in their agenda to make such an influence of the members.

And I'm not talking about current situation, but making future predictions, while you are the real smart ass talker here, predicting future happenings like you know it all. Latvia is greatly dependent on decisions EU, IMF and other international organizations makes, so that is one way I see the evil can enter Latvia.

 

[JCK]

Before answering any of your questions I still have some un-answered questions I asked last night.

1- Why do we have two genders and not 1?
2- Is it proved genetically that babies are born homosexuals?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21309724/ns/health-health_care/t/gay-brothers-may-hold-genetic-clues/

 

[JCK]

Before answering any of your questions I still have some un-answered questions I asked last night.

1- Why do we have two genders and not 1?
2- Is it proved genetically that babies are born homosexuals?

http://www.skeptictank.org/gaygene.htm

 

[JCK]

And I'm not talking about current situation, but making future predictions, while you are the real smart ass talker here, predicting future happenings like you know it all. Latvia is greatly dependent on decisions EU, IMF and other international organizations makes, so that is one way I see the evil can enter Latvia.

So you're the one predicting yet you turned all smart ass on me and wanted me to predict?

So tell me? Where will end this year? Will there be any major natural disaster soon?

 

[JCK]

Question: So let's for argument sake accept that an orphan is better off with a same sex couple than at an orphanage. So therefore there shouldn't be a problem for them to adopt.

But how do you guys feel about same sex couples that get a friend/a person to their liking to carry a child for them (surrogacy/sperm donation) where you're essentially 'robbing' the child of a mother/father?

It's all about consent, there is no robbery there.

 

[pitbull]

There is a different issue here which I agree really does need to be tackled, but that is going to take a long time and in the meantime there are children who need homes. The question of having respect for other people is something that can be taught by both sides.

I highly doubt allowing gay adoption would improve the situation drastically, the <1yo would still find homes and those who get there when they're older would still stand very little chance to find a new family.

 

[pitbull]

So you're the one predicting yet you turned all smart ass on me and wanted me to predict?

So tell me? Where will end this year? Will there be any major natural disaster soon?

I never asked you anything, you came there, responded to my future prediction about my country you probably now fuck-all about as a smart-ass and said "no, it will not happen", like stating a 100% true fact. I on the other side never said it will, I said it might, there's a difference. Anyways, I'm done talking to you, there's no point in arguing with stupid.

 

[JCK]

I never asked you anything, you came there, responded to my future prediction about my country you probably now fuck-all about as a smart-ass and said "no, it will not happen", like stating a 100% true fact. Anyways, I'm done talking to you, there's no point in arguing with stupid.

You really are something. You predicted, I laughed at your prediction, you accused me of predicting the future then you said that you were the one predicting. In the end you called me stupid. That sums you up pretty much.

 

[pitbull]

You really are something. You predicted, I laughed at your prediction, you accused me of predicting the future then you said that you were the one predicting. In the end you called me stupid. That sums you up pretty much.

I accused you of pretending like you know the future, genius. Predicting and acting like you know what will happen are two different things paddock.

 

[Kate]

I highly doubt allowing gay adoption would improve the situation drastically, the <1yo would still find homes and those who get there when they're older would still stand very little chance to find a new family.

Yes, the under 1s stand a much better chance of being placed, but the amount of viable applications of any combination that we used to receive were minimal, for any age group, and I worked in a very large city. We used to do big adoption events at Pride etc. because we were desperate for couples to take the kids. It definitely helped in our case, and I can't imagine there being a big difference between that city and others of comparable size in Britain.

 

[JCK]

I accused you of pretending like you know the future, genius. Predicting and acting like you know what will happen are two different things paddock.

Didn't you do the same?

I did not predict, what I said applies to the current situation of the EU nothing to do with your beloved country, Matiss.

 

[pitbull]

Yes, the under 1s stand a much better chance of being placed, but the amount of viable applications of any combination that we used to receive were minimal, for any age group, and I worked in a very large city. We used to do big adoption events at Pride etc. because we were desperate for couples to take the kids. It definitely helped in our case, and I can't imagine there being a big difference between that city and others of comparable size in Britain.

Sad to hear that. In Latvia there are problems only with 10+yo, even those with health problems usually find a new family successfuly, even in the hard economical circumstances here.

 

[pitbull]

Didn't you do the same?

I did not predict, what I said applies to the current situation of the EU nothing to do with your beloved country, Matiss.

No, I predicted what might happen. You came and said it will not happen in the future and based it on current situation were EU can't affect the situation here directly. You're really thick man.

 

[Kate]

Sad to hear that. In Latvia there are problems only with 10+yo, even those with health problems usually find a new family successfuly, even in the hard economical circumstances here.

I am very glad to hear that

 

[Azzurri7]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/01/homosexuality-genetics-usa

Many contradictions in the link you posted. You should figure them out. Check the links I'm going to post.

Not only Jack but everyone should check these links too :smile:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1300464/posts
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...k_GAUs&sig=AHIEtbTFGW7YsM70Ad4a_m_vRKAGljP5jA
http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html

 

[Cheesio]

Thank you Rab:

5.) Dr. J. Satinover:

"Research studies on homosexuality by Dr's Dean Hamer, Michael Bailey, Richard Dillard, Simon Levay. Laura Allen and Roger Gorski have failed to show proof of a gay gene. There is no scientific evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic. The media has sensationalized and perpetuated the myth of a homosexual gene."

Satinover, J. M.D. (1996) Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth. Grand Rapids. Baker Books

6.) Another of Dr. Jeffery Satinover's conclusions in "The Gay Gene":

"There is no evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic--and none of the resaerch itself claims there is. Only the press and certain researchers do when speaking in sound bites to the public."

(Jeffery Satinover, M.D. The Journal of Human Sexuality, 1996, p.8)

7.) The American Psychological Association:

"Many scientists share the view that sexual orientation is shaped for many people at an early age through complex interactions of biology, psychological and social factors."

(The American Psychological Association's pamphlet "Answers to Your Questions About Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality."

8.) The American Psychiatric Association :

"no replicated scientific studies showing any specific biological etiology for homosexuality."

9.) Sociologist Steven Goldberg:

"I know of no one in the field who argues that homosexuality can be explained without reference to environmental factors."

(Goldberg, Steven (1994) When Wish Replaces Thought: Why So Much of What You Believe is False. Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books.

 

[Azzurri7]

Thank you Rab:



6.) Another of Dr. Jeffery Satinover's conclusions in "The Gay Gene":

"There is no evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic--and none of the resaerch itself claims there is. Only the press and certain researchers do when speaking in sound bites to the public."

(Jeffery Satinover, M.D. The Journal of Human Sexuality, 1996, p.8)

You welcome. Thank you too for highlighting them as-well.

The part underlined and red colored is really really really important. Something I've been trying to say since a while. People are falling for it because very few, I repeat very few researchers are taking this in sound bites to the public like Dr. Jeffery described it.

 

[JCK]

No, I predicted what might happen. You came and said it will not happen in the future and based it on current situation were EU can't affect the situation here directly. You're really thick man.

I did not specify any time frame. And I did not call you neither stupid nor thick but hey...keep them coming.