[Friendly] Sunderland Vs Juventus [4th August] (23 Viewers)

[Orgut]

Let palermo enjoy their honeymoon with that idiot. He made great achievements by scoring 200 goals in friendly matches.

Let's see what he'll do in the official matches, and please don't make him appear as a loss for Juve because he is surely NOT.

He maybe isn`t at DP`s level and maybe there are better players out there but right now he is still better than Palladino (Palladino certainly has the potential to be truely great but he is not there yet...)
and he is a lot better than Iaquinta the player we bought for double the price we sold Miccoli

 

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[ReBeL]

He maybe isn`t at DP`s level and maybe there are better players out there but right now he is still better than Palladino (Palladino certainly has the potential to be truely great but he is not there yet...)
and he is a lot better than Iaquinta the player we bought for double the price we sold Miccoli

I never denied his skills, but his attitude was terrible.

 

[Bjerknes]

Del Piero scored from a free kick in 2005, 2006 and he definitely scored a couple last season.

Perhaps you're right, even though I did watch every match those seasons barring the Serie B stint. But still, he's not a freekick specialist. One goal a season on freekicks isn't very impressive and even our other freekicks were not up to par in my opinion.

 

[Ibrahimovic9]

[first half]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=utoNyjQJDyo

[second half]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CtVJPJYqgmo

ranieri is an idiot if he thinks he can play almiron - tiago- nedved in midfield, and this game shows once again we need a defender, and a DM possibly

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Why would we want him when we can play Camoranesi or Palladino on the right side of the 4-3-3?

well palla can play on the left side as replacement to del piero's position, camoranesi and miccoli for the right side, depending on our formation

 

[Bjerknes]

well palla can play on the left side as replacement to del piero's position, camoranesi and miccoli for the right side, depending on our formation

But that doesn't make any sense. Miccoli is a striker who has excelled at playing a support forward, not a right-winger, and we have Marchionni as well. Moreover, Miccoli isn't even that good, so what's the problem?

 

[Bjerknes]

ranieri is an idiot if he thinks he can play almiron - tiago- nedved in midfield, and this game shows once again we need a defender, and a DM possibly

That's not necessarily true. If Tiago and Almiron can somehow do the job of tackling in midfield it could work. From the Newcastle match it seemed like Almiron was taking it upon himself to get stuck in, and that's a good thing. If we can get all our midfielders to work hard and tackle, the said 4-3-3 could work in my opinion. But then again I do admit it's safer to have someone such as Zanetti sit in front of the defense.

 

[rounder]

That's not necessarily true. If Tiago and Almiron can somehow do the job of tackling in midfield it could work. From the Newcastle match it seemed like Almiron was taking it upon himself to get stuck in, and that's a good thing. If we can get all our midfielders to work hard and tackle, the said 4-3-3 could work in my opinion. But then again I do admit it's safer to have someone such as Zanetti sit in front of the defense.

I personally think tiago and Almiron can't work in midfield . none of them have the defensive mentality and none of them are destroyers like nocerino .
I think a midfield without nocerino or zanetti would be disastrous .

 

[Sadomin]

Tiago - Almirón reminds me of the Carrick - Scholes partnership. Neither is a particularily good tackler or your typical defensive midfielder, but they are hard working and disciplined, ensuring that the back four have cover in front of them at all times. All our midfielders need are some tactical instructions - not a completely new player to tackle for them. It's not like we have a Zidane - Riquelme partnership in the middle.

 

[Bjerknes]

I personally think tiago and Almiron can't work in midfield . none of them have the defensive mentality and none of them are destroyers like nocerino .
I think a midfield without nocerino or zanetti would be disastrous .

Tiago - Almirón reminds me of the Carrick - Scholes partnership. Neither is a particularily good tackler or your typical defensive midfielder, but they are hard working and disciplined, ensuring that the back four have cover in front of them at all times. All our midfielders need are some tactical instructions - not a completely new player to tackle for them. It's not like we have a Zidane - Riquelme partnership in the middle.

Exactly, Sadomin. If your midfield partnership works hard enough defensively, they can compensate for the lack of a defensive midfielder.

The only problem is neither Tiago or Almiron have the intensity of Paul Scholes.

 

[rounder]

Tiago - Almirón reminds me of the Carrick - Scholes partnership. Neither is a particularily good tackler or your typical defensive midfielder, but they are hard working and disciplined, ensuring that the back four have cover in front of them at all times. All our midfielders need are some tactical instructions - not a completely new player to tackle for them. It's not like we have a Zidane - Riquelme partnership in the middle.

well.. not exactly , you cant really tell a player to change his style of play , you can't tell gatusso to create plays etc.. i think a 4-3-3 may work with juve if we have a destroyer in midfield . someone to cut the ball give it to tiago and almiron and let tyhemdo the attacking work . but tellling tiago or almiron to be more defensive actually deprives them from what they're good at and thats creating plays .

 

[rounder]

Exactly, Sadomin. If your midfield partnership works hard enough defensively, they can compensate for the lack of a defensive midfielder.

The only problem is neither Tiago or Almiron have the intensity of Paul Scholes.

true , man united also have a solid back four unlike us , that's why the 2 midfielders can compensate for a lack of defensive midfielder , they can afford a small gap in midfield whereas our shaky defense , with an absence of a destroyer in the midfield can only lead to us being hammered with goals .

 

[Sadomin]

Exactly, Sadomin. If your midfield partnership works hard enough defensively, they can compensate for the lack of a defensive midfielder.

The only problem is neither Tiago or Almiron have the intensity of Paul Scholes.

Probably not, though Almirón's mentality has impressed me so far. Very aggressive for a player with his role in midfield. Neddie doesn't lack intensity either - take away his vision and technique and he'd still find a role in a Serie A midfield.

well.. not exactly , you cant really tell a player to change his style of play , you can't tell gatusso to create plays etc.. i think a 4-3-3 may work with juve if we have a destroyer in midfield . someone to cut the ball give it to tiago and almiron and let tyhemdo the attacking work . but tellling tiago or almiron to be more defensive actually deprives them from what they're good at and thats creating plays.

That is true and I don't think 4-3-3 will be very succesful due to the midfield being somewhat light weight. A 4-3-1-2 with Nedved as trequartista looks much better in my eyes, with Camoranesi, Tiago and Almirón. Telling them to be more defensive might deprive them from their attacking play, but they will still be more useful than a purely defensive midfielder such as Makélélé or Zanetti. No disrespect to the latter two but I am not fond of using midfielders for one single purpose, may it be crossing, tackling or shooting. Almirón and Tiago can take turns moving forward. Total football, anyone?

You might be right, though. I want to see our midfield and defence in a competitive match before I make my final judgement.

 

[forzajuve_27]

hey jus been to the game today, few points to make:

1. Where were our fans today? Seriously got completely bitched by the Sunderland fans and with the majority if not all of the fans speaking English why didn't we chant back? I wanted to but I knew I'd end up looking like an idiot on me own cos hardly anyone seemed botherd we're Juve we have to defend our club. What else shocked me is not a single Italian chant got chanted apart from a murming Del Piero one when he was warming up that faded after a few seconds. Really disappointing as I feel we have brilliant fans that never stop singing but that was poor today.

2. Onto the game now we did ok, a draw was a fair result and Sunderland were obviously much fitter than us and we don't need to panic after getting a draw against them and tbh I don't think they are relegation fodder for the Premiership this season I think they will finish in the top of the bottom half of the table so was a good test.

3. Our defense is very shaky atm we need a real leader at the back, stop playing Grygera at CB and play him at RB and sign someone be it Barzagli, Cannavaro, Meira or someone else but we need a leader.

4. Almrion impressed again today as did Iaquinta in parts even though he made his mistake of getting into the box and instead of passing across goal shooting wildly. I don't rate the guy much but I hope he proves me wrong this season he has the potential to play well but so did Ibra and in truth he was a donkey most of the time for us. Tiago hasn;t seemed to have settled yet but is early days still, Sali looked ok as did Giorgio, Andrade and Molinario.

5. We need to stop being scared to take shot, should have shot much more today.

All in all no need to panic really was a good test for us ahead of schedule and I think as long as we bring in a CB and a midfielder to replace Neddy because at 35 we can't rely on him all the time we can challenge for the Scudetto.

 

[rounder]

Probably not, though Almirón's mentality has impressed me so far. Very aggressive for a player with his role in midfield. Neddie doesn't lack intensity either - take away his vision and technique and he'd still find a role in a Serie A midfield.



That is true and I don't think 4-3-3 will be very succesful due to the midfield being somewhat light weight. A 4-3-1-2 with Nedved as trequartista looks much better in my eyes, with Camoranesi, Tiago and Almirón. Telling them to be more defensive might deprive them from their attacking play, but they will still be more useful than a purely defensive midfielder such as Makélélé or Zanetti. No disrespect to the latter two but I am not fond of using midfielders for one single purpose, may it be crossing, tackling or shooting. Almirón and Tiago can take turns moving forward. Total football, anyone?

You might be right, though. I want to see our midfield and defence in a competitive match before I make my final judgement.

I second that , i love that role for nedved when he's more free , I think he's much more dangerous than when he's playing on the wing . Although he puts up great games on the left wing , i always feel he's restricted .

The only problem with that formation is that we would lack wingers and thats one of juve's best weapons in attack ( camo , sali , marchionni )

I think juve should try the 4 3 1 2 in the coming friendlies . I think they have the potential to work .

grygera - andrade - chiellini - molinaro

---------------nocerino/zanetti----------------

-------camo/tiago ----------------Almiron-----

----------------------neddy----------------------

-------------trez-----------------------del piero

this is more of a 4-1-2-1-2 , i think this might work with juve

 

[Badass J Elkann]

But that doesn't make any sense. Miccoli is a striker who has excelled at playing a support forward, not a right-winger, and we have Marchionni as well. Moreover, Miccoli isn't even that good, so what's the problem?

you miss-understood me i was talking about miccoli playing on the right side of a 4-3-3 in attack, where iaquinta currently does. miccoli is better than iaquinta lets face it, thats my problem, we had a support striker who is more capable than iaquinta is of anything, we sell miccoli for next to nothing, and blow 11 mill on sumone who cant hit a cows ass with a banjo.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

That's not necessarily true. If Tiago and Almiron can somehow do the job of tackling in midfield it could work. From the Newcastle match it seemed like Almiron was taking it upon himself to get stuck in, and that's a good thing. If we can get all our midfielders to work hard and tackle, the said 4-3-3 could work in my opinion. But then again I do admit it's safer to have someone such as Zanetti sit in front of the defense.

tiago atm is assigned to do more of a defensive work and less of the freedom attacking that hes more renowned for which almiron is doing, thats why tiago and almiron cant work, ive said it b4 and ill say it again, both are good but its like playing gerrard and lampard together in the hope they work, when they wont, tiago needs that defensive minded player like emo,zanetti or nocerino to cover for him and let tiago loose, atm hes on a leash and its a waste

 

[Lucky Luke]

Just an experiment...
--------------------------------------Gigi
-----------Grygera--------------Andrante--------------Chiellini
Brazzo----------------------------------------------------------------------Molinaro
----------- Camo--------------Tiago/Almiron----------Neddy
---------------------Trez-------------------------DP
Sounds strange but what do u think?

 

[rounder]

you miss-understood me i was talking about miccoli playing on the right side of a 4-3-3 in attack, where iaquinta currently does. miccoli is better than iaquinta lets face it, thats my problem, we had a support striker who is more capable than iaquinta is of anything, we sell miccoli for next to nothing, and blow 11 mill on sumone who cant hit a cows ass with a banjo.

hahaha , so true dude
what a waste of 11 mill .. We could have gotten someone very decent for that money . Miccoli is way better than iaquinta , at least miccoli is or seems to be a professional football player . I still can't believe this guy was in italy's world-cup squad.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Just an experiment...
--------------------------------------Gigi
-----------Grygera--------------Andrante--------------Chiellini
Brazzo----------------------------------------------------------------------Molinaro
----------- Camo--------------Tiago/Almiron----------Neddy
---------------------Trez-------------------------DP
Sounds strange but what do u think?

wont work

we cant play with wing backs

and theres no central cover