[Friendly] Manchester United - Juventus (August 6th, 2008) (10 Viewers)

[JCK]

So every single concern people have is invalid because we haven't seen the team in action during the actual season? Is that right?

Fine. Apparently I won't be posting much for about another month then.

No that's not right. You have your opinion, I have mine. If I find your opinion laughable but that does not mean that my opinion is true. And one very important thing you, Vinman and Cronios are not really understanding and it is the following:

You bash the board and say that we will not succeed and everything that is being done is simply wrong. I stand with what Rab said and don't like bashing and predicting failures but this does not in any way mean we are going to win anything.

 

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[Maher]

i hope juve perform well to cancel the memory of the 3-0 defeat against hamburg , hope for amauri to finally acore against a good team

 

[Bjerknes]

No that's not right. You have your opinion, I have mine. If I find your opinion laughable but that does not mean that my opinion is true. And one very important thing you, Vinman and Cronios are not really understanding and it is the following:

You bash the board and say that we will not succeed and everything that is being done is simply wrong. I stand with what Rab said and don't like bashing and predicting failures but this does not in any way mean we are going to win anything.

Okay. As laughable as we may seem to you lot, and as big of a fucking retard populous we happen to be regarding the state of this club, we are all in the same boat (unless you consider us retards Barca fans). May the stronger sword prevail in Serie A.

 

[delpierofan82]

Can you tell me one thing? why were we playng whole second half from defense with Arsenal's youth squad, if some of members and Ranieri are saying that the result of the friendlies are not so important, so why we weren't playing just football and practicing some interesting things? They were only throwing ball away from their own goal that's it, like it was CL final. Maybe we just couldn't play more creative football in midfield and attack?

 

[vimo]

Can you tell me one thing? why were we playng whole second half from defense with Arsenal's youth squad, if some of members and Ranieri are saying that the result of the friendlies are not so important, so why we weren't playing just football and practicing some interesting things? They were only throwing ball away from their own goal that's it, like it was CL final. Maybe we just couldn't play more creative football in midfield and attack?

awww come on, these discussions are completely useless. we are playing FRIENDLIES, and it does NOT matter what ranieri or mourinho or anyone says about winning or not winning. I think everyone can agree with me, that if you go down on that pitch, you're playing to win. And it doesn't matter if we defended or not. Maybe we wanted to PRACTICE DEFENDING. I can't believe how negative some people are, we are playing f'ing friendlies, and if we play shit, then it might also be because we are not fit, we're trying out a new scheme, we're lacking our starting players... no need to bash everyone and everything. If we go down tonight against ManU, everyone wants to win, come on... and it's of no importance whatsoever. If you can't stand us playing without consistency, without our strongest formation, without everything that made us win last year, then don't f'ing watch the friendlies...

 

[JCK]

Okay. As laughable as we may seem to you lot, and as big of a fucking retard populous we happen to be regarding the state of this club, we are all in the same boat (unless you consider us retards Barca fans). May the stronger sword prevail in Serie A.

Yes we are all in the same boat, you are camping near the security boats waiting for the boat to sink because you are sure it will, we are still on the sun deck having a mojito. And as you said, may the stronger sword prevail.

 

[delpierofan82]

vimo

I think everyone can agree with me, that if you go down on that pitch, you're playing to win

Of cource, but not for any possible price, because If it's so then don't tell us that the result is not important and that they are just practicing. Practicing is quite different thing. It's when you are trying something new, different, create something that you wouldn't create and wouldn't try if it is official match. Friendlies give you possibility to do everything and not be afraid of the bad result in the end, or if result is important thy should tell us that they are willing to score a goal and then trying to save this result killing time while throwing ball and playing 11 players in their own penlaty area, but why are we playing friendlies in this case??

Maybe we wanted to PRACTICE DEFENDING

Did you watch the game?? It was not practicing it was just throwing ball away from own penalty area as it is like 88-th minute of CL final.


So what is conclusion of your point?? I can't get. As I assumed you are saying that we are playing friendlies and result is not important we are just practicing, but we are playing to win with any posibility and for any price even staying on our own penalty area with 11 players as it is last match in our life and killing time in any possible way then this means it's not just practice? Choose only one from these two cases they are controversing each other. Do you know what is the aim of the friendlies?

If you can't stand us playing without consistency, without our strongest formation, without everything that made us win last year, then don't f'ing watch the friendlies...

I watch friendlies to see something new,different and interesting not just defending and kicking ball far away to safe the result

 

[Tha Bo$$]

I dont see Del piero starting this game, hes not the best option when going up against big and fast defenders like Ferdinand and Vidic. So im expecting Amauri or Iaquinta to play alongside Trezugeut.

Don't talk bullshit - DP can cause problems to any defender in the world - he's unpredictable - something Iaquinta is not.

 

[A_LAcki]

The season hasn't started yet and we're again with the same CD track dilemma hearing the same things. Why don't we just fucking wait for the first few official matches we play and then we'll see what should be fixed and what shouldn't.

But so long we criticize and moan after each friendly game then I see this as one sad track. Some of you claim that they don't care about friendlies , yet they're judging Ranieri from every single aspect.

The man so far is a winner whether we all like it or not. He's done his mission, his mission was to take a CL place and at least try to compete with the top two in Serie A....and he managed.

This year he has another mission, shouldn't we wait a bit before we jump on him?

Criticizing the board is different thing though. We all know how much terrible and horrible things they're doing in transfer market and with our current players. No one disagrees here, but as for the coach, I don't see his real problem yet.

All of us, yes all of us will criticize him once he's not doing or achieving what he's asked. But like I said, so far, he's done what he was asked.

Very good post, but I don't agree on everything.
Don't know why you people keep on bashing the board. For me, they haven't really made such a bad job. People hated the signings of Iaquinta and Sissoko, yet they are favourites in here. You guys were happy about Tiago, yet he was a flop and bad luck that Andrade had a bad injury, yet you guys hate him too. Poulsen isn't really a bad player, actually he is very good and his style of play should fit into Serie A , yet his name isn't Alsonso and people are bashing him. Its a shame how much the opinion of many people in here can be influenced by a 2 or 3 users....

 

[delpierofan82]

Very good post, but I don't agree on everything.
Don't know why you people keep on bashing the board. For me, they haven't really made such a bad job. People hated the signings of Iaquinta and Sissoko, yet they are favourites in here. You guys were happy about Tiago, yet he was a flop and bad luck that Andrade had a bad injury, yet you guys hate him too. Poulsen isn't really a bad player, actually he is very good and his style of play should fit into Serie A , yet his name isn't Alsonso and people are bashing him. Its a shame how much the opinion of many people in here can be influenced by a 2 or 3 users....

I agree Poulsen and Iaquinta are not bad players they are quite good in their own possitions, but it doesn't mean that we don't need players of different style and in different position. That's why I'm personally blaming Juve managers that they haven't signed even one developed creative midfielder while we have a lack of creativity(and we had it also last year) and qualified defender since we have Legrotaglie as a main player in defense(we had problems also in defense last year) but they spent money on buying Amauri I'm quite deligted, but the last thing we needed, taking in to account last year, was forward.

 

[Yamen]

Does anyone know if Rai Uno will remain FTA or will it distort its signal as usual.

 

[CAPITANO]

Linups:

Juventus


Buffon


Grygera Melberg Chiellini Salihamidzic

Camoranesi Sissoko Poulsen Nedved

Trezeguet Del Piero



Manchester United


Van der Sar

Neville Brown Ferdinand Evra

Nani Fletcher O'Shea Giggs

Tevez Campbell​

 

[Alen]

So every single concern people have is invalid because we haven't seen the team in action during the actual season? Is that right?

Fine. Apparently I won't be posting much for about another month then.

Oh, stop bullshitting Andy. You, Cronios and Snoop offer a lot to the forum and don't make it look as someone is trying you to stop from voicing your opinion or sharing your concerns. We do enjoy reading many of your posts.
It's not about criticizing Ranieri or the board. They did make many wrong decisions so many times the critics are well deserved.

Snoop said it himself. It started with one wrong move, followed by another and another and all this developed into a need to criticize every single move of the management. I don't know if you noticed but lately the three of you are negative towards every single thing that happens in our camp. Every single transfer or transfer rumour, every match we play, everything we do or newspapers say we might do is a disaster for the three of you.

This is getting even worse because your behaviour provoked an oposition (where i fear i'm slowly getting involved) that is now defending everything the board and Ranieri do. They started by defending the board, the players and Ranieri from the unfair criticism and now they defend all their moves, no matter if they were wrong or right.

So now we get two groups that are wrong for half of the time and never agree about anything.
One group will never praise the board for Maninger's transfer and they'll either keep quiet or spam the thread by making fun of those who are praising the "genius directors" while the other group will develop a theory why Xabi Alonso wasn't needed at all and Poulsen is what we really needed.

It all ends up with arguments, sarcastic remarks and provokations.
Can't we try to criticize where the critics are deserved and give credit where it's due ?

 

[Ahmed]

just hoping for a good team display, screw the result...

 

[delpierofan82]

just hoping for a good team display, screw the result...

Me too

Linups:

Juventus


Buffon


Grygera Melberg Chiellini Salihamidzic

Camoranesi Sissoko Poulsen Nedved

Trezeguet Del Piero



Manchester United


Van der Sar

Neville Brown Ferdinand Evra

Nani Fletcher O'Shea Giggs

Tevez Campbell​

Good choice I think and I'm also glad that Manu will play with it's first choice players not reservers

 

[Alen]

Good choice I think and I'm also glad that Manu will play with it's first choice players not reservers

All 7 or 8 subs are youngsters and i'm pretty sure Ferguson will give a chance to all of them in the second half.

 

[khalidkassim]

what time is the blood match?

 

[Snoop]

Oh, stop bullshitting Andy. You, Cronios and Snoop offer a lot to the forum and don't make it look as someone is trying you to stop from voicing your opinion or sharing your concerns. We do enjoy reading many of your posts.
It's not about criticizing Ranieri or the board. They did make many wrong decisions so many times the critics are well deserved.

Snoop said it himself. It started with one wrong move, followed by another and another and all this developed into a need to criticize every single move of the management. I don't know if you noticed but lately the three of you are negative towards every single thing that happens in our camp. Every single transfer or transfer rumour, every match we play, everything we do or newspapers say we might do is a disaster for the three of you.

This is getting even worse because your behaviour provoked an oposition (where i fear i'm slowly getting involved) that is now defending everything the board and Ranieri do. They started by defending the board, the players and Ranieri from the unfair criticism and now they defend all their moves, no matter if they were wrong or right.

So now we get two groups that are wrong for half of the time and never agree about anything.
One group will never praise the board for Maninger's transfer and they'll either keep quiet or spam the thread by making fun of those who are praising the "genius directors" while the other group will develop a theory why Xabi Alonso wasn't needed at all and Poulsen is what we really needed.

It all ends up with arguments, sarcastic remarks and provokations.
Can't we try to criticize where the critics are deserved and give credit where it's due ?

No I said, I criticize every single MISTAKE and not move.

Your problem and maybe Jack's too that you all mix every criticizers with that "fuck Secco" members here. Who said I didn't give the credit for signing Manninger? I am not even making these critics for the Hamburg and other results. I told you, I will say it again, friendlies mean nothing to me, only players' performance is important, for example Marchionni's. If we sign a quality defender, you will see me the first to give the credit.

 

[Juve11]

Linups:

Juventus


Buffon


Grygera Melberg Chiellini Salihamidzic

Camoranesi Sissoko Poulsen Nedved

Trezeguet Del Piero



Manchester United


Van der Sar

Neville Brown Ferdinand Evra

Nani Fletcher O'Shea Giggs

Tevez Campbell​

I like the Juve line up but why dont we try Camo in the middle from the start and play Marco Marchionni from the start on the right who has been excellent in the preseason so far.

Camo has done well there before and with him and Sissoko that midfield pairing would be awsome.

I would also like Nedved given tim in the middle next to Sissoko when Gio comes back from the games.

And yes I know Camo play mostly on the right but he has played well centrally for the Azzuri before.

 

[delpierofan82]

what time is the blood match?

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