[FRA] Ligue 1 2012/2013 (18 Viewers)

[Trequartista]

I wish I could like Ligue 1 since I'm a francophone but I just can't, it's just too damn boring. It's a shame, really.

 

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[Fred]

I gotta say, Lille's stadium looks great.

It does.

I actually wish that Ligue teams will open up more to foreign investors, thats the only way the league will be able to keep its stars. The amount of quality players Ligue has produced and shipped off over the years is quite depressing.

 

[JCK]

you repeat yourself

I lack imagination.

 

[Fred]

I wish I could like Ligue 1 since I'm a francophone but I just can't, it's just too damn boring. It's a shame, really.

I guess its all about taste, believe it or not, i feel the same about the Bundesliga, even though i know and admit that it is definitely of a higher level than the Ligue, but i still can't get myself to watch it, it just does not interest me at all.

 

[Trequartista]

It does.

I actually wish that Ligue teams will open up more to foreign investors, thats the only way the league will be able to keep its stars. The amount of quality players Ligue has produced and shipped off over the years is quite depressing.

The tax increase for millionaires to 75% is not going to help, that's for sure.

Hollande

 

[Fred]

The tax increase for millionaires to 75% is not going to help, that's for sure.

Yup, as if France was not socialist enough already, they go ahead and elect a socialist president.

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Moukandjo gets sent off for Nancy. Lucky for them, theres only 10 minutes left to go. Lets see if Lille can take advantage of this.

 

[Martin]

What's so bad about socialism? Like there isn't enough capitalism around already, at least that's a counterweight.

 

[Fred]

What's so bad about socialism? Like there isn't enough capitalism around already, at least that's a counterweight.

Spoken like a true European.

On a more serious note, i'm not too fond of capitalism myself, i think the solution lies somewhere in the middle. Though, 75% taxing is just too radical, you have to admit.

 

[Trequartista]

What's so bad about socialism? Like there isn't enough capitalism around already, at least that's a counterweight.

The fact that money doesn't grow on trees.

Spoken like a true European.

On a more serious note, i'm not too fond of capitalism myself, i think the solution lies somewhere in the middle. Though, 75% taxing is just too radical, you have to admit.

Indeed.

 

[Nzoric]

The tax increase for millionaires to 75% is not going to help, that's for sure.

I love it, put it up to 90.

 

[Fred]

I love it, put it up to 90.

Thats ridiculous. Its not as if the government can be trusted to put all that money to good use.

 

[Trequartista]

I love it, put it up to 90.

That doesn't make sense, the rich can just gtfo of the country if their taxes are too high, which leaves you without millionaires to tax.

Anything over 50% is madness.

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Thats ridiculous. Its not as if the government can be trusted to put all that money to good use.

Agreed.

 

[Martin]

Spoken like a true European.

Yes, and water is wet. Your point?

On a more serious note, i'm not too fond of capitalism myself, i think the solution lies somewhere in the middle. Though, 75% taxing is just too radical, you have to admit.

Why? Why is there an arbitrary number that's too radical and another that isn't? All you're doing is comparing this number to numbers you've seen before, and it's higher. I'm relatively sure it's not based on an socio-economical analysis.

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The fact that money doesn't grow on trees.

So where does it grow? In Swiss bank accounts? Please educate.

 

[Trequartista]

So where does it grow? In Swiss bank accounts? Please educate.

With wealth creation and very high taxes don't help that.

I wouldn't trust the government to spend my money better than myself in any case and this is why I believe that big governments don't work. With socialism, individuals don't have a lot of personal responsibilities, which makes them weak and parasitic.

Some aspects of socialism are good such as the safety net, universal health care and so on but too much of it is not good, especially for your government's deficit.

When you tax the rich too highly, they either get the fuck out or put their money even more in fiscal paradises than they already do. It just is counter productive.

 

[Martin]

Through wealth creation and very high taxes don't help that.

And how is wealth created?

I wouldn't trust the government to spend my money better than myself in any case and this is why I believe that big governments don't work.

"big government" is a buzz word. Even better, it's a scare word just like "socialism". Yell it in a room and people hide under their desk.

I wouldn't trust the government to spend my money better than myself in any case and this is why I believe that big governments don't work. With socialism, individuals don't have a lot of personal responsibilities, which makes them weak and parasitic.

I can well imagine someone saying that who's never seen a functioning socialist system. But I actually think the government spends my money much better than me in many cases, because individuals are often irresponsible and short sighted, sound familiar?

If it were up to me I wouldn't spend money on a tram for instance, I'd probably think that's not worth the expense, cause I'm a low risk taker financially speaking, I'd just hoard my cash to feel safe. And then I'd be complaining about how there's not enough public transport.

 

[Trequartista]

I can well imagine someone saying that who's never seen a functioning socialist system. But I actually think the government spends my money much better than me in many cases, because individuals are often irresponsible and short sighted, sound familiar?

I live in Quebec, the most socialist province/state in North America, so try again.

About your last sentence, so too are governments.

 

[Martin]

I live in Quebec, the most socialist province/state in North America, so try again.

So you're either saying that Quebec is a functioning socialist system and yet you don't like it (self contradiction) or it's not functioning and you prove my point (?)

 

[Trequartista]

So you're either saying that Quebec is a functioning socialist system and yet you don't like it (self contradiction) or it's not functioning and you prove my point (?)

It is not functioning at all. We have an absolutely terrible Public debt/GDP ratio and we're only able to pay our social programs because of the equalization check (8 billion CSD) we receive annually from Alberta(richest province). We're going to be the poorest province in the country in 20 years according to economists.

It is not functioning at all because out system is too socialistic.

 

[Martin]

It is not functioning at all. We have an absolutely terrible Public debt/GDP ratio and we're only able to pay our social programs because of the equalization check (8 billion CSD) we receive annually. We're going to be the poorest province in the country in 20 years according to economists.

Right. So it doesn't function. Ergo I'm not surprised you're feeling rebellious, anyone would be.

That doesn't prove that socialism is inherently broken.

 

[Maddy]

Just to clarify. France isn't a socialist country, but a Social Democratic country.

And yes americans, there's a huge difference.