Formula One 2007 (7 Viewers)

[tonykart]

You see everything so black and white. Doesn't matter Barichello was a weaker driver, he won that race and should have been allowed to clinch it. He deserved it, you can't possibly twist this around and not make it sickening. This is a team sport and that's not how a team behaves, or at least should behave.

I agree it is a dirty sport, I never denied Schumacher's ability but no man, apart from a blinded Ferrari/Schumacher fan, will call him the greatest.

The TEAM needed to win the championship. It is part of racing.

Schumacher was the greatest clearly hands down. Statistically (which is a relativaly weak point and I don't want to elaborate on it, but it is still a fact), but more importantly with the way he dominated the sport. No one else has dominated like he did. The competition was the same, but he was just so much better and worked so much harder that he set a totally new standard. Schumacher was the greatest F1 driver of all time and you are clearly just ignorant when you say that only a "blind" Ferrari/Schumi fan would say that. 7 WC don't lie, nor does that fact that he helped build Ferrari into the most dominating team in F1 history. No driver, not even Senna (who used to be my favorite) can touch that.

 

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[chester]

You have to see the whole perspective, Schumi wasn't alone when ferrari became the best in the world, they were prepared to make money available for that that would make you faint and they also signed the best engineers there were at that time.
You can't say Schumi made Ferrari to the team it became, it was a team effort, other teams couldn't/didn't want to spent that much at that time.

 

[V]

The TEAM needed to win the championship. It is part of racing.

Schumacher was the greatest clearly hands down. Statistically (which is a relativaly weak point and I don't want to elaborate on it, but it is still a fact), but more importantly with the way he dominated the sport. No one else has dominated like he did. The competition was the same, but he was just so much better and worked so much harder that he set a totally new standard. Schumacher was the greatest F1 driver of all time and you are clearly just ignorant when you say that only a "blind" Ferrari/Schumi fan would say that. 7 WC don't lie, nor does that fact that he helped build Ferrari into the most dominating team in F1 history. No driver, not even Senna (who used to be my favorite) can touch that.

No...the team needed their favourite son to win the championship, which one was first or second for the team itself makes absolutelly no difference, no?

Statistically, yes, you can't argue with numbers. But I don't like numbers.

Schumacher had competition? Senna drove against Prost, Berger, Piquet, Mansell...Schumacher whenever had an ounce competition lost, twice Hakinen and twice to Alonso. While Hakinen was driving both drivers won 2 consecutive championsips. Then Hakinen left and Schumacher was practically the only driver on the pitch for 3 straight years. Then Alonso came and Schumacher lost again two consecutive titles. Senna's 3 titles piss all over Schumacher's last 4-5 titles, a time where the sport was a joke and they actually had to change the rule to bring some FREAKING COMPETITION!!

Disclaimer: I don't rate Hakinen highly, I just used him to make a point about competition. Also, like I said tons of times before, I completelly disaprove of the decision to change the rules because of Schumacher, I was just again using it to emphasize the point, which was there was no competition.

 

[tonykart]

You have to see the whole perspective, Schumi wasn't alone when ferrari became the best in the world, they were prepared to make money available for that that would make you faint and they also signed the best engineers there were at that time.
You can't say Schumi made Ferrari to the team it became, it was a team effort, other teams couldn't/didn't want to spent that much at that time.

I said he HELPED. And that is also why Ferrari is the best. Most wins and most championships. Ferrari IS F1. They still fab everything themselves and are totally loyal to their suppliers.

No...the team needed their favourite son to win the championship, which one was first or second for the team itself makes absolutelly no difference, no?

Statistically, yes, you can't argue with numbers. But I don't like numbers.

Schumacher had competition? Senna drove against Prost, Berger, Piquet, Mansell...Schumacher whenever had an ounce competition lost, twice Hakinen and twice to Alonso. While Hakinen was driving both drivers won 2 consecutive championsips. Then Hakinen left and Schumacher was practically the only driver on the pitch for 3 straight years. Then Alonso came and Schumacher lost again two consecutive titles. Senna's 3 titles piss all over Schumacher's last 4-5 titles, a time where the sport was a joke and they actually had to change the rule to bring some FREAKING COMPETITION!!

Disclaimer: I don't rate Hakinen highly, I just used him to make a point about competition. Also, like I said tons of times before, I completelly disaprove of the decision to change the rules because of Schumacher, I was just again using it to emphasize the point, which was there was no competition.

If Schumacher didn't exist you would be doing backflips of Hill, Villeneuve, Hakkinen, etc. Mansell sucked. He is the most overrated driver of all time. Berger... are you joking. Piquet was good, but no better than Hakkinen, Villeneuve or Hill. Senna and Prost were true greats and their battles were epic, but if Mika Hakkinen was at the same level he was when he battled Schumacher, he would have been added to that mix. People underrate Schumacher's competition, because he was just that much better.

 

[tonykart]

Admit it... you just hate Michael Schumacher because he made F1 boring with his domination.

BTW, the Alonso point was totally weak. Last year, maybe, but Ferrari didn't catch up technically until half way through the season. I wish he stayed around one more year. Massa and Raikkonen are just lame test drivers. And Alonso, will soon be revered as one of the greatest of all time as well. He has the mentallity and work ethic of a true champion. Senna was a huge dickhead, and if he didn't die people wouldn't have such a magical opinion of him. I am a huge Senna fan, but he and Prost were just dicks. That is what an F1 Champion has to be to win.

 

[V]

If Schumacher didn't exist you would be doing backflips of Hill, Villeneuve, Hakkinen, etc. Mansell sucked. He is the most overrated driver of all time. Berger... are you joking. Piquet was good, but no better than Hakkinen, Villeneuve or Hill. Senna and Prost were true greats and their battles were epic, but if Mika Hakkinen was at the same level he was when he battled Schumacher, he would have been added to that mix. People underrate Schumacher's competition, because he was just that much better.

Or had a that better car.

 

[tonykart]

Or had a that better car.

There is a reason that the best drivers have the best cars. The Benetton was no good when he got there. The Ferrari was no good. The McLaren is always fast, but it doesn't have the same speed as the Ferrari with Schumacher. Nothing will. The greatest racing team of all time.

 

[tonykart]

Or had a that better car.

I have raced karts and cars in professional competition my whole life and I will tell you that the driver, along with the team make the car do whatever you want. The sky is the limit and we all saw what was possible. The way Ferrari and Schumacher developed their car was something that had never been done to that level before. They worked harder and more efficiently than anyone else. That is what wins. Talent is overrated and can always be disputed, but no driver from the past could out work the Scumi-Ferrari era.

 

[tonykart]

FIA Reveal Evidence

Formula One's governing body, the FIA, has revealed the full extent of the new spygate' evidence that prompted them to hit McLaren with a record fine and exclude them from the 2007 constructors' championship.

The evidence includes details of email and text message exchanges given to the FIA through written statements by McLaren test pilot Pedro de la Rosa and their double world champion driver Fernando Alonso.

De la Rosa, in particular, seems to have had regular contact with Mike Coughlan, the ex-McLaren chief designer who has confirmed that he received a dossier of secret Ferrari information from Nigel Stepney a former mechanic for the Italian team.

An FIA press release on Friday said: "The e-mails show unequivocally that both Mr. Alonso and Mr. de la Rosa received confidential Ferrari information via Coughlan; that both drivers knew that this information was confidential Ferrari information and that both knew that the information was being received by Coughlan from Stepney."

In one exchange between the two De La Rosa asks Coughlan, in a clear reference to Ferrari's all-red livery: "Hi Mike, do you know the Red Car's weight distribution? It would be important for us to know so that we could try it in the simulator. Thanks in advance, Pedro.
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De La Rosa confirmed to the FIA that Coughlan sent him the required information via test message and he then forwarded it on to Alonso by email.

Similar exchanges between the three men took place regarding aerodynamics, tyre gas, braking systems and stopping strategy.

In addition the FIA has revealed the full amount of correspondence between Coughlan and Stepney, some of it taking place before the dossier of information was found by Italian police at Coughlan's house.

The statement reads: "The Italian police have identified logs which show 23 e-mails passed between Coughlan and Stepney between 1 March and 14 April 2007."

In total, at least 288 SMS messages and 35 telephone calls appear to have passed between Stepney and Coughlan between 11 March and 3 July 2007.

"In light of the number and timing of the communications between Coughlan and Stepney and the e-mail exchanges between the McLaren drivers, the WMSC regards it as reasonable to infer that Coughlan was in receipt of a flow of confidential Ferrari information from Stepney and that at least some of that information was communicated to others within McLaren."

The published evidence appears to directly contradict McLaren Boss Ron Dennis' claims that Stepney and Coughlan were acting alone and that McLaren did not benefit from the information that passed between the pair.

McLaren have not yet decided whether they will appeal their punishment.
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Wow. After reading this I think the punishment is so weak that it is despicable.

 

[tonykart]

Full FIA Statement:

http://www.fia.com/resources/documents/17844641__WMSC_Decision_130907.pdf

 

[JCK]

Or had a that better car.

Check your facts back... MIchael made Ferrari the better car. We all know where was the red team before Michael joined and it took him a couple of years to see results.

Whether you like it or not, Michael Schumacher is the best driver that Formula 1 has ever seen. There is no point discussing that, it is not an opinion, it is not a thought, IT'S A FACT.

 

[Alfio_87]

can i say it again suck shit Mclaren

 

[tonykart]

Check your facts back... MIchael made Ferrari the better car. We all know where was the red team before Michael joined and it took him a couple of years to see results.

Whether you like it or not, Michael Schumacher is the best driver that Formula 1 has ever seen. There is no point discussing that, it is not an opinion, it is not a thought, IT'S A FACT.

Aye. 100% Agree.

BTW, you may want to read the FIA Statement. I can't beleive how much knowledge McLaren actually did get from Ferrari. Almost everything speculated was confirmed. I am sure there was much, much more than this. They even stole the information regarding the gas that Ferrari uses to fill up their tires to prolong wear and stability. Aerodynamics, Brake Design, Pit Strategy... wow. I don't see how the FIA could not have slapped a two year ban on them. This information took Ferrari years to figure out. It is not like McLaren is going to just forget it.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

fuk Ferrari suck shit how about that?

thanx for the infraction mikhail!!!

 

[mikhail]

...I never denied Schumacher's ability but no man, apart from a blinded Ferrari/Schumacher fan, will call him the greatest.

There are only a handful of other contenders, and he topped most of their records. I'd be more inclined to accuse someone of bias if they insist he's not the greatest.

 

[JCK]

thanx for the infraction mikhail!!!

On behalf of John, you're welcome.

 

[Alfio_87]

damn i was enjoying saying that.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

damn i was enjoying saying that.

you too huh???

 

[Salvatore]

Great performance by our Ferrari boys today. We grabbed pole and second and now we need to defend that and gain a 5-10second lead over the nearest McLaren in the first stint.

Spa still looks great and Eau Rouge looks as immense as ever. Will be a good race hopefully with lots of overtaking. Forza Felipe!

 

[Desmond]

I would love to see either Raikonnen or Massa nick today's race too, but the likelihood that it will matter in the long run (ie. the championship race) is rather low if you ask me. I can't remember when F1 last saw a driver grab the championship lead back this late in the season (from a double-digit deficit no less), and unless we see a few crashes/engine malfunctions happening to the Silver Arrows in the remaining weeks I say the fight is now squarely between Hamilton and Alonso. Moreover with the McLaren-Ferrari spygate drawing to a close Lewis and Fernando will have less to worry about-they've both been forthcoming (both in word and deed) about the fact that they hold personal glory in higher regard than the now phony constructors' championship anyway.