[FML] Serie A 2009/2010 (25 Viewers)

[Alen]

Absolutely agree about that -although you shouldn't yaks some of the bleating on these pages as those of real fans-, but he should have bought more wisely. And had the guts to sale the dead weight.

I completely shared the opinion with those who wanted him out. So I'm not saying "I told you so". I'm saying "we were wrong".
As for your post, obviously much of the transfers weren't made by him. He had his hand in some (Sissoko, Poulsen) but for many he didn't have a say at all.
He didn't want Diego because, as he was saying, this team couldn't play yet a formation that suits Diego. He was completely right, as time proved. We lacked at least 4-5 players to play a formation with Diego in it. But the board didn't even think about listening to him and they were buying the ones they wanted to buy, not the ones the coach wanted. I'm guessing the same happened with the sales.

 

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[king Ale]

Irush Zebra:

Ranieri was never crap coach. He was always one of the top 3 coaches everywhere he went. With Juve, I just realized now, that he done miracle. But there were always people like Andy, King Ale etc. to call him a looser, and many other names who would talk nonsense and talk from their arse ....

I did not expect even in wildest dream that Ranieri could have such a success with Roma as they hardly qualified for Eu spot last season, but what coach can do without any money?????

Its all about tactics , discipline, and beer which i have lots to share..

Forza Ranieri, an Forza Juve going for 4th spot..and forza Kirin...

I never ever called him a loser until he refused to sub Totti in the previous game. It is not really hard Amaurisimo, if we releases Grygera tomorrow and he starts to do well in another team it DOESN'T mean that we were wrong when we expired his contract. If Ferrara manages to achieve something with another team it doesn't mean we should have kept him. At a certain point in time, you have to leave something which doesn't seem to be working and move on. We did the right move when we fired Ranieri. No matter what he gets this season with Roma (I hope he will win the league) I never regret the decision of sacking him.

You think time proved that we were wrong when we fired Ranieri, I don't think so. If we started the season with an inept coach (yes, a much worse coach than Ranieri) it doesn't mean we were wrong when we looked for Ranieri's replacement.

 

[Suns]

He wasn't a crap coach. He was coaching a team with crybaby fans, who expected a mediocre team to win the serie A and CL.

For that, I should +rep you all day. That is so true. Ranieri made our team perform better than they should. The man barely ever lost big games, we almost beat Chelsea in the CL and most importatntly, we were a consistent team. And all this with players like Molinaro, Legro, Grygera, an old Nedved and without big signings like Diego, Melo and Caceres.

 

[bianconero]

I completely shared the opinion with those who wanted him out. So I'm not saying "I told you so". I'm saying "we were wrong".
As for your post, obviously much of the transfers weren't made by him. He had his hand in some (Sissoko, Poulsen) but for many he didn't have a say at all.
He didn't want Diego because, as he was saying, this team couldn't play yet a formation that suits Diego. He was completely right, as time proved. We lacked at least 4-5 players to play a formation with Diego in it. But the board didn't even think about listening to him and they were buying the ones they wanted to buy, not the ones the coach wanted. I'm guessing the same happened with the sales.

You may or may not be right about the transfer dealings, I am not privy to such information, bit I feel sure he could have beenore ruthless and adventurous.

I won't say I told you so either: even though I could.

 

[Ventus]

He wasn't a crap coach. He was coaching a team with crybaby fans, who expected a mediocre team to win the serie A and CL.

 

[El Santo]

Absolutely agree about that -although you shouldn't yaks some of the bleating on these pages as those of real fans-, but he should have bought more wisely. And had the guts to sale the dead weight.

This idiot got us Poulsen instead of Xavi Alonso, for that I hate him. But Alen has a good point as always, he did over achieve when he was with us, we were just to blind to realize it.

 

[Fred]

I have to say, Ranieri is easily the best coach in the Serie A this season, even if he doesn't win the title, result wise he has been the best. What with the limited squad he has, he has done a great job.

The two subs he made at halftime where very Un-Ranieri like, very proactive of him, both Totti and DR were playing horrible games, they deserved to be taken out.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

I have to say, Ranieri is easily the best coach in the Serie A this season, even if he doesn't win the title, result wise he has been the best. What with the limited squad he has, he has done a great job.

The two subs he made at halftime where very Un-Ranieri like, very proactive of him, both Totti and DR were playing horrible games, they deserved to be taken out.

Del Neri is much better coach then Ruineri believe me

 

[swag]

I completely shared the opinion with those who wanted him out. So I'm not saying "I told you so". I'm saying "we were wrong".

We weren't wrong. With Juve he was the wrong coach. Still is.

With Roma, he's in the right club as the right coach at the right time. That kind of thing doesn't always export well between teams. Cassano looks brilliant at Samp but was aggravating at Real Madrid -- it's the same sort of environmental thing.

He didn't want Diego because, as he was saying, this team couldn't play yet a formation that suits Diego. He was completely right, as time proved. We lacked at least 4-5 players to play a formation with Diego in it. But the board didn't even think about listening to him and they were buying the ones they wanted to buy, not the ones the coach wanted. I'm guessing the same happened with the sales.

That much he was right about.

 

[Fred]

I'm talking strictly about the work he's done this season. In general and overall as a career, i think Ranieri is a barely above average coach.

 

[Esteban]

The truth is Ranieri was terrible for Juve, had lost all respect in the dressing room and was heading for a sure miss out on the CL spot. Giving him the boot was indeed the right thing to do. Watching some normally sane people here shamelessly turn their coat now leaves me baffled. The same people that back in those days agreed our results were due to Del Piero saving everyone's ass, and most of all Ranieri's, now say he made us overperform. What a joke.

 

[king Ale]

We weren't wrong. With Juve he was the wrong coach. Still is.

With Roma, he's in the right club as the right coach at the right time. That kind of thing doesn't always export well between teams. Cassano looks brilliant at Samp but was aggravating at Real Madrid -- it's the same sort of environmental thing.

Very well said Swag

 

[Alen]

The truth is Ranieri was terrible for Juve, had lost all respect in the dressing room and was heading for a sure miss out on the CL spot. Giving him the boot was indeed the right thing to do. Watching some normally sane people here shamelessly turn their coat now leaves me baffled. The same people that back in those days agreed our results were due to Del Piero saving everyone's ass, and most of all Ranieri's, now say he made us overperform. What a joke.

Pheew, I thought you were talking about me until I saw the DP part.

I disagree with almost everything you said, though.
Except the dressing room part. If he indeed lost it, and it looked like it, then I guess there was really no other option but to fire him.
Maybe trying to set things up and fix the problem was gonna work too

 

[Esteban]

There was no time for that, getting the CL spot was too important. I think you also remember we were going straight downhill at that point, and there was no way in hell we were winning against Lazio and Siena with the way the team acted. Also, I can't be the only one who remembers the extremely frustrating substitutions, the cowardly approach to everything throughout his Juve career. I'm telling you, some of you already have but I'll never forget the way he made my blood boil with his atrocious coaching. He is a decent tactician, I always said that, but he is a coward and therefore he has never won anything.

 

[king Ale]

Indeed. He left when he had to leave. Roma winning the league and Juve struggling to get a place in the next year EL doesn't mean it was a wrong decision. We just didn't get it right when we hired Ciro.

 

[Esteban]

Exactly, people using the argument "well, look at us where we are and look at Roma were they are" are making it all to easy for themselves and they look a little foolish to me.

 

[v1rtu4l]

There was no time for that, getting the CL spot was too important. I think you also remember we were going straight downhill at that point, and there was no way in hell we were winning against Lazio and Siena with the way the team acted.

ha ha ... getting draws is "going straight downhills" yeah ? the only thing that we did get after ranieris sacking was a win against siena and a win against lazio ...

ridiculous to say we could not have won these games with ranieri.

and the "there was no time" means sitting in second place while even the third place would have brought us the champions league is really "no time" right ...

and if alex did always save our ass, who did prevent the opponents from scoring as much as they did against us under ferrara ? was it alex too ?


one thing i did learn today is, instead of eating their words when people here said "whaahaa ranieri did a horrible sub there" they change topic like how good or bad rosella sensi looks ... it really shows how much of a man one is, when you are not able to admit you were wrong and some clown coach does in fact know a few things more than you guys as fans with the all knowing better tactics and subs.

 

[Alen]

First of all, even if we lost the last 2 matches last year we were gonna be 3rd in the end. Direct CL qualification.

Second, psychologically and even physically our team was well prepared. The blackout came in the last matches of the season when we failed to fight for the scudetto and we were 100% sure that CL is secured.

We're talking about cowardish approach and bad subs, but we fail to remember that Ranieri was famous for rotating the squad and changing tactics frequently, during matches, before he came to Juve. He's doing that in Roma too.
So, the mistery is why wasn't he doing that in Juve? Is it possible that he didn't even have other options but to go with 4-4-2 and more or less the same players?
How did he so suddenly become brave in Roma?
Can it be that through the years our team was set for 4-4-2 and we couldn't do without the stars who couldn't play anything else anymore but 4-4-2?

He knew the team better than us. He was with them every day and no way that he didn't notice that there is another way to play with these players.
I'm convinced that he was squeezing the most out of the team we had.

This year we really saw how anything else but 4-4-2 works with the majority of our players.

 

[Alen]

Found this in Osman's forum:

 

[v1rtu4l]

you can tell that i already got some statue like that in my living room