[FML] Serie A 2009/2010 (41 Viewers)

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
11,620
I'm not much of an Italian I suppose. I just don't see a pro referee in the heat of the match moment injecting the current standings into his calls. Especially the reverse kind. Italians love this kind of conspiracy talk. I feel much of it is primarily backwards superstitious mumbo jumbo suitable for cornuto hand gestures. It reflects a culture that's been living with the Pope just a bit too long now.
:tup:
 

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Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,174
I don't see Pandev has similar type with Amauri and IQ. Pandev is more of all around striker that tricky, has a good ball control, compose, and can pass definitely. When Amauri is a ball holding striker that doesn't really have a vision of play like Pandev, and IQ is a big striker who has pace and passion but lack in ball control and passing ability..

So actually i think we need Pandev-kind of striker with our type of play right now, when all of our midfield is so static.. and all of our strikers except DP can't create his own chances

It's too bad we are not even trying because his request salary.. I would give Poulsen salary easily to him anyway
But Pandev doesn't really score many goals. What we need is another goalscorer up there who can finish the slim amount of chances our midfield creates as it is. Missed chances have been a major problem, and Pandev can't help us with that.

I don't consider him something special in passing the ball either.
 

Salvo

J
Moderator
Dec 17, 2007
62,843
Pazzini is average and totally overpriced. I hope we don't sign him.

He surely can thank Cassano.
i just saw the guy celebrating :lol:

didnt know how he scored, i was just being sarcastic anyway.

nah definitely over priced, id only get the guy for like 10ml plus de ceglie nothing more.
 

Mark

The Informer
Administrator
Dec 19, 2003
97,671
Saw La Domenica Sportiva and Mourinho was complaining about the ref here and there. Whining about what's gonna happen next. Thinking the world is against them.

:rolleyes:

Strategy to get into people's(refs...) heads to get some calls his way next time.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,998
Strategy to get into people's(refs...) heads to get some calls his way next time.
As if he needs any ref help this year.

No, I think he was honest with what he said and it wasn't a strategy. He was maybe delusional, but he was honest.

Even I, a Juve fan, said during the match the same thing he said. I also got the impression that the moment Milan found themselves in a position to get closer to Inter (in the last 3-4 matches) they got lots of dubious calls in their favor while the opposite happened to Inter.
Of course it might just be a coincidence, but if you're a fan of Inter, or their coach as it's the case with Mourinho, you won't take it as a coincidence.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,786
Saw La Domenica Sportiva and Mourinho was complaining about the ref here and there. Whining about what's gonna happen next. Thinking the world is against them.

:rolleyes:

Strategy to get into people's(refs...) heads to get some calls his way next time.
I don't know. It's not like Inter doesn't have the talent so they need it, but Mourinho could be playing mind-games with his own club here. Rather than sending a message to referees, a classic tactic of a coach to keep their team together and focused in the final stretch is to give them the us-against-them delusion. It worked for Italy in WC 2006.

It could be Mourinho's way of keeping his team motivated with such an early and big lead to suggest that the refs and the league are out to get them.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,998
I don't know. It's not like Inter doesn't have the talent so they need it, but Mourinho could be playing mind-games with his own club here. Rather than sending a message to referees, a classic tactic of a coach to keep their team together and focused in the final stretch is to give them the us-against-them delusion. It worked for Italy in WC 2006.

It could be Mourinho's way of keeping his team motivated with such an early and big lead to suggest that the refs and the league are out to get them.
For a guy married to a Portuguese I sometimes think you have no idea how do the Southern Europeans work and think. :D

You might be right of course, but I still think that it was said in the heat of the moment and he honestly thinks that the refs were trying to hurt Inter.

Or maybe a combination of both. He really thinks the refs are out to get them but he's still using it to motivate his team.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,998
But Pandev doesn't really score many goals. What we need is another goalscorer up there who can finish the slim amount of chances our midfield creates as it is. Missed chances have been a major problem, and Pandev can't help us with that.

I don't consider him something special in passing the ball either.
Knowing your ideas how football should be played and knowing what kind of players you like, I must admit I'm a little surprised your ratings about Pandev aren't too positive. I know Pandev well and I always thought he's a kind of player you'd like to have in your team and you'd like as a player.

I guess I still have a lot to learn about you :D

Or maybe you're talking simply Juve and simply present time so you're simply going with what this team needs right now and the team's main objectives?
 
Mar 24, 2006
13,953
Inter are where they are right now because of Calciopoli, nothing else. Without it, they'd be the same shitty but expensive team they have been for the past decades.
:delpiero:

I am carrying a heavy Juve bias like everyone else, of course. But good old Nick (Incubo Rossonero) called it from the beginning: 13 years of frustration lead to non-football measures to seek help to their cause. And the collateral damage to Serie A is its legacy. It's a matter of time before other evidence comes to light about how less-than-saintly-innocent Inter were throughout this scandal.
:delpiero:

They will back to their own black era soon after we bounce up .
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
11,620
we seem like we are going further down not up. Up to this season, we've been moving towards a better Juve. 3rd in our first serie A season.. 2nd in our second. the least we could do (given that inter is far ahead) is stay 2nd as Milan sold Kaka and lost Ancelloti. Now we'd be lucky to finish 4rth.


at the start of the season we were all claiming that the gap is reduced... with Ciro as our coach we are worst than our serie b side.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,786
For a guy married to a Portuguese I sometimes think you have no idea how do the Southern Europeans work and think. :D

You might be right of course, but I still think that it was said in the heat of the moment and he honestly thinks that the refs were trying to hurt Inter.

Or maybe a combination of both. He really thinks the refs are out to get them but he's still using it to motivate his team.
:lol2:

Yeah. And Mourinho is no stranger to Portuguese referee scandals either. I'm sure that some of that was involved. But knowing Mourinho, I'm sure he's got extra motivation to make out a refereeing scandal in the presses.
 

blondu

Grazie Ale
Nov 9, 2006
27,408
But Pandev doesn't really score many goals. What we need is another goalscorer up there who can finish the slim amount of chances our midfield creates as it is. Missed chances have been a major problem, and Pandev can't help us with that.

I don't consider him something special in passing the ball either.
you need service..if we keep playing with 3-1-2 or 3-2-1 only with diego being able to give a decisive pass (and 3 dms) you can have any striker that you want..those systems are shit and isolate our forwards in the opposition's back line.
 

JuveJay

Senior Signor
Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
74,987
I thought the ref got the big decisions right.

My only complaint would be that he was inconsistent about what tackles were getting yellow cards, but that wasn't in any way biased.
Ah yes, the Mourinho systematic fouling system, since his Porto days. Rotational fouling at it's best. Somehow though, Muntari was allowed to make 6 fouls from behind (what awful technique he has) and pick up one yellow card.

Mourinho's comments make me laugh, but it's easy to say whatever when you are winning. Juve need to be dirtier and physical like this Inter, we are too nice. Our coaching staff don't scream on the edge of the pitch, or even on it, at the referee. Our players don't hound the referee at every decision against them. That is how you gain an advantage it seems.
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
I also got the impression that the moment Milan found themselves in a position to get closer to Inter (in the last 3-4 matches) they got lots of dubious calls in their favor
Who wanted this? FIGC? Or you imply that the refs themselves decided to give those call in favor of Milan?

while the opposite happened to Inter.
Did it really happen? Enlighten me on some of them then.

Even I, a Juve fan, said during the match the same thing he said.
Ah you are more than that in this case :D

Of course it might just be a coincidence, but if you're a fan of Inter, or their coach as it's the case with Mourinho, you won't take it as a coincidence.
Or someone who simply hates Milan.

In this case, being an Inter fan or being Mourinho or being someone who hates Milan equally means being biased :eyebrows:
 

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