FIFA Ballon d’Or 2010 (4 Viewers)

[bianconero]

When Buck noticed that Milito isn't on the shortlist, the first thing that popped on my mind was the 1991 ballon d'or.

This was the top 5:
1. Jean-Pierre Papin Marseille 141
2. Darko Pančev Red Star Belgrade 42
Dejan Savićević Red Star Belgrade 42
Lothar Matthäus Internazionale 42
5. Robert Prosinečki Red Star Belgrade 34
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Look at the Red Star players and how they shared the points. Journalists were obviously voting for the best 3 players of the CL winning team, but they all choose one of the three and thus none of them ended up winning. If only one of them was in the short list, he'd have probably won.
The same will be with Spain, imo. People will want to vote for a player from the WC winning team, but then they will have to choose between Villa, Iniesta and Xavi and that will lower their chances to win.
If Milito was in the short-list, then those who wanted to give votes to a treble winner would have the choice between Milito, Sneijder and Eto'o. This way it's gonna be Sneijder and Eto'o only and considering how Sneijder was better in CL and played a WC final too, they will choose Sneijder as Inter's main representative.

How is that a Spain hating reaction, they were expected to win the world cup and they duly did, big whoop.
Mourinho's achievement is far more monumental is all I'm saying.

So if a player is in a WC winning squad they should automatically win the ballon d’Or? That's bullshit.

Sneijder basically carried inter & Holland on his shoulders. He was immense & on form all the way. As much as i can't stand inter, i'd never deny what a stellar season Sneijder had.

He won the treble, got his national team in the WC final & because he didn't lift trophy, it will go to Iniesta.

If you think Sneijder carried Inter, or for that matter Neatherlands then you are utterly wrong. Arguments could easily be made for both Maicon and Robban- both of which I suggest were more important to their teams.

Inter won a substandard league and although the CL was a triump it no way outshines Spains historic World Cup.
Bosque is not a marquee name but did what so many before had failed to do, create a Spainish Team.

 

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[Byrone]

If you think Sneijder carried Inter, or for that matter Neatherlands then you are utterly wrong. Arguments could easily be made for both Maicon and Robban- both of which I suggest were more important to their teams.

Inter won a substandard league and although the CL was a triump it no way outshines Spains historic World Cup.
Bosque is not a marquee name but did what so many before had failed to do, create a Spainish Team.

Where are you going with this? Sneijder definitely lifted inters game, he was & still is instrumental to them.

Winning the CL might not outshine winning the WC but the CL is way tougher to win.

My point is, if one is to be awarded the ballon d’Or, you need to look at performance over a complete season, not only a WC win. That's absolute bollocks.

 

[bianconero]

Where are you going with this? Sneijder definitely lifted inters game, he was & still is instrumental to them.

Winning the CL might not outshine winning the WC but the CL is way tougher to win.

My point is, if one is to be awarded the ballon d’Or, you need to look at performance over a complete season, not only a WC win. That's absolute bollocks.

What is absolute bollocks is to say that Snaijder was better than Maicon.

 

[Byrone]

What is absolute bollocks is to say that Snaijder was better than Maicon.

When & where did i say that?

 

[Fred]

I agree with Bianco about Sneider to be honest. Sure he deserves to be up there, but i personally wouldn't give him the award, while he was fantastic in the big CL games and in the WC, he wasn't exactly delivering world class performances in the Serie A week in week out.

Consistency is key in this. Which is why i think someone like Xavi would be more deserving.

 

[Ventus]

lol no milito? seriously fifa are more brainless than I thought

 

[Gamaro]

Sneijder or Xavi,no one else deserves it more than these two.

 

[bianconero]

When & where did i say that?

I would have thought that the best player of the year would be the best player in their own teams not 2nd or 3rd.

 

[bianconero]

So if a player is in a WC winning squad they should automatically win the ballon d’Or? That's bullshit.

Sneijder basically carried inter & Holland on his shoulders. He was immense & on form all the way. As much as i can't stand inter, i'd never deny what a stellar season Sneijder had.

He won the treble, got his national team in the WC final & because he didn't lift trophy, it will go to Iniesta.

What is absolute bollocks is to say that Snaijder was better than Maicon.

When & where did i say that?

This might seem like a radical idea, but shouldn't you read your own posts?

 

[Byrone]

I would have thought that the best player of the year would be the best player in their own teams not 2nd or 3rd.

So why did you pick Villa as your ballon d’Or & not Xavi?

This might seem like a radical idea, but shouldn't you read your own posts?

You aren't even making sense. Where did i say Sneijder is better than Maicon? Sneijder did more on a club/international level, Holland beat Brazil in the WC & they got to the final.

Anyway


Paul the octopus is dead, now we have to wait & find out who wins the old fashioned way.

 

[Alen]

I would have thought that the best player of the year would be the best player in their own teams not 2nd or 3rd.

Villa wasn't the best player in Spain and certainly not among the best 5 in Barcelona. He was the best only for Valencia.
Xavi also isn't the best player in Barcelona, Messi is.

We all know that the WC and CL performances are what counts the most here. The domestic performances are only seen as a number, i.e how many goals certain players scored.
Not many watch Sneijder when Inter play Chievo but everyone watched him at the WC and CL where he was amazing. He is a very strong candidate.

Imo, Ronaldo and Messi were still the best in the world in 2010, but their teams failed where it counted: WC and CL.

 

[bianconero]

So why did you pick Villa as your ballon d’Or & not Xavi?



You aren't even making sense. Where did i say Sneijder is better than Maicon? Sneijder did more on a club/international level, Holland beat Brazil in the WC & they got to the final.

Anyway


Paul the octopus is dead, now we have to wait & find out who wins the old fashioned way.

Again read and interperate your own words:

Sneijder basically carried inter & Holland on his shoulders. He was immense & on form all the way. As much as i can't stand inter, i'd never deny what a stellar season Sneijder had.

A player who carries a team is the best player, or not?

I think Robban was the Dutch's best player and Maicon Inter's.

Villa, for me, was Spain's.

 

[bianconero]

Villa wasn't the best player in Spain and certainly not among the best 5 in Barcelona. He was the best only for Valencia.
Xavi also isn't the best player in Barcelona, Messi is.

We all know that the WC and CL performances are what counts the most here. The domestic performances are only seen as a number, i.e how many goals certain players scored.
Not many watch Sneijder when Inter play Chievo but everyone watched him at the WC and CL where he was amazing. He is a very strong candidate.

Imo, Ronaldo and Messi were still the best in the world in 2010, but their teams failed where it counted: WC and CL.

Barcelona isn't yet relavant, as you know.

I am looking at the World Cup as my guide, and Villa hits all the right buttons, no to suggest he wasn't outstanding for Valencia.

If Xavi wins it for overall brilliance I'd go for that too.


By the way, ehich 5 players are better than him at Barça?

 

[Byrone]

Again read and interperate your own words:

Sneijder basically carried inter & Holland on his shoulders. He was immense & on form all the way. As much as i can't stand inter, i'd never deny what a stellar season Sneijder had.

A player who carries a team is the best player, or not?

I think Robban was the Dutch's best player and Maicon Inter's.

Villa, for me, was Spain's.

Are you for real? That's your interpretation of it.

NO! Any player could be on top form & carry the team but it doesn't mean they are the best player.

I never said Sneijder was better than Maicon, that's a stupid comparison to make & those are your words, not mine.

 

[Alen]

A player who carries a team is the best player, or not?

I think Robban was the Dutch's best player and Maicon Inter's.

Well, ok, that's your opinion, but don't be surprised if the world disagrees with it.

Sneijder was the Dutch topscorer at the WC with 5 goals (he was also the WC topscorer, together with 3 other players). He was the only player at the WC who got 4 man of the match awards.
He was chosen man of the match on 4 of the 7 matches his team played (twice in the groups, once in the quarters and once in the semis).

That pretty much implies that he was their best player at the WC.

 

[Trezegol17]

Sneijder is leading the chart, he will win it, he won the teble ,was best midfielder of the CL ,second best player of the WC and took Holland to the Final, Xavi is a better player yes, Iniesta aswell, but Sneijder had a better year then those 2.

 

[Alen]

Barcelona isn't yet relavant, as you know.

I am looking at the World Cup as my guide, and Villa hits all the right buttons, no to suggest he wasn't outstanding for Valencia.

If Xavi wins it for overall brilliance I'd go for that too.


By the way, ehich 5 players are better than him at Barça?

Not better in quality, better performance wise is what I mean. And so far this season everyone who watched Barca will agree that there are many players in that team who perform (much) better than David Villa.

 

[Alen]

Also, to confirm that those who will have a say in choosing the best player of the year, also don't see Robben as the Dutch best player at the WC, here is the FIFA all star team of the tournament:

Goalkeeper: Iker Casillas (Spain)
Defenders: Sergio Ramos and Carles Puyol (Spain), Maicon (Brazil), Philipp Lahm (Germany)
Midfielders: Andrés Iniesta and Xavi (Spain), Bastian Schweinsteiger (Germany), Wesley Sneijder (Netherlands)
Forwards: Diego Forlán (Uruguay), David Villa (Spain)

Sneijder is the only Dutch player who made the team. Another clear proof that they see him as Netherland's best player.
I also fully expect Sneijder to get UEFA's award for being the CL's best midfielder in 2009/2010 this December.

 

[Byrone]

Didn't he win that award already?

 

[Trezegol17]

Yup he did, with Cesar as best keeper, Maicon best defender and Milito as best striker.