Fernando Llorente (76 Viewers)
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europe is a different ball game imo.
but yeah imo the leaguethe only competition where he will have enough chances to make a significant impact here.
in europe we will get wrecked unless we improve our wingbacks and dump marchisio. since the bayern game i'm sure every single team has figured out how to destroy our build up play
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europe is a different ball game imo.
but yeah imo the leaguethe only competition where he will have enough chances to make a significant impact here.
in europe we will get wrecked unless we improve our wingbacks and dump marchisio. since the bayern game i'm sure every single team has figured out how to destroy our build up play
but yeah imo the leaguethe only competition where he will have enough chances to make a significant impact here.
in europe we will get wrecked unless we improve our wingbacks and dump marchisio. since the bayern game i'm sure every single team has figured out how to destroy our build up play
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europe is a different ball game imo.
but yeah imo the leaguethe only competition where he will have enough chances to make a significant impact here.
in europe we will get wrecked unless we improve our wingbacks and dump marchisio. since the bayern game i'm sure every single team has figured out how to destroy our build up play
It is quite simple really.
Llorente is a targetman, that is mostly improving the players around him, and really helps the team tremendously. He is technical surprisingly good and excellent playing with his back to the goal, connecting with midfield and wide runners
On top of that, he has good scoring ability and a great header.
Because of this, he is not scoring that many goals in a team like bilbao.
Given a juventus team to back him up, he could be instrumental to buildup, but with now a domminant team behind him, he'll find himself much more frequent at the end of passes and crosses, in scoring positions, hence he would score alot more.
For llorente, dont look at goals per game, or minute to goal ratio. irrelevant for targetman. Look at his shotconversion rate. How many shots does he needs to score a goal. You'll find that he is pretty efficient here. Considering how many chances we gift our forwards, you can clearly see Llorente will :
a) improve our domminance and attacking play excellently, and give us alot more options and be less predictable
b) drastically improve the goal conversion of the frontline.
Secondly, what is massive is a player like Higuain around him. With Llorente beeing a real weight on the defence, combining and connecting the midfield but much further up the pitch then vucinic did, alot of space is created between midfield and attack for midfield runners to burst into. A result is much space created for Higuain to move into, and for the central midfielders to gift trough balls to.
Llorente's presence will create many chances for Higuain, who will score a shitload of goals as a result of his marvellous finishing.
Yeah, Llorente is gonna play a pretty big role in this juventus side.
Llorente is a targetman, that is mostly improving the players around him, and really helps the team tremendously. He is technical surprisingly good and excellent playing with his back to the goal, connecting with midfield and wide runners
On top of that, he has good scoring ability and a great header.
Because of this, he is not scoring that many goals in a team like bilbao.
Given a juventus team to back him up, he could be instrumental to buildup, but with now a domminant team behind him, he'll find himself much more frequent at the end of passes and crosses, in scoring positions, hence he would score alot more.
For llorente, dont look at goals per game, or minute to goal ratio. irrelevant for targetman. Look at his shotconversion rate. How many shots does he needs to score a goal. You'll find that he is pretty efficient here. Considering how many chances we gift our forwards, you can clearly see Llorente will :
a) improve our domminance and attacking play excellently, and give us alot more options and be less predictable
b) drastically improve the goal conversion of the frontline.
Secondly, what is massive is a player like Higuain around him. With Llorente beeing a real weight on the defence, combining and connecting the midfield but much further up the pitch then vucinic did, alot of space is created between midfield and attack for midfield runners to burst into. A result is much space created for Higuain to move into, and for the central midfielders to gift trough balls to.
Llorente's presence will create many chances for Higuain, who will score a shitload of goals as a result of his marvellous finishing.
Yeah, Llorente is gonna play a pretty big role in this juventus side.
I agree that the lack of offensive power of Juve's strikers and wingbacks is a major factor to the current gap to the top European teams.
However, I think that the biggest issue is tactics.
Powerhouses like Dortmund, Bayern, Barcelona and Madrid basically play with 2 guys holding position (CBs) and the other 8 running like hell all around the pitch.
Juventus has 3 guys holding position, therefore 1 guy less to run the pitch against these teams. So we have less options to defend and attack.
So unless Conte adapts the scheme to play in Europe with a back 4, I believe Juve will always find tactical problems, regardless of the quality of the players.
However, I think that the biggest issue is tactics.
Powerhouses like Dortmund, Bayern, Barcelona and Madrid basically play with 2 guys holding position (CBs) and the other 8 running like hell all around the pitch.
Juventus has 3 guys holding position, therefore 1 guy less to run the pitch against these teams. So we have less options to defend and attack.
So unless Conte adapts the scheme to play in Europe with a back 4, I believe Juve will always find tactical problems, regardless of the quality of the players.
FFS look at his stats
http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/46912/fernando-llorente?cc=5739
Llorente / Matri
2010/11
Games: 41 / 34
Goals: 24 / 20
Assists: 2 / 1
2011/12
Games: 47 / 25
Goals: 30 / 11
Assists: 4 / 4
Now please! Can we stop calling him the Spanish Matri?
http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/46912/fernando-llorente?cc=5739
Llorente / Matri
2010/11
Games: 41 / 34
Goals: 24 / 20
Assists: 2 / 1
2011/12
Games: 47 / 25
Goals: 30 / 11
Assists: 4 / 4
Now please! Can we stop calling him the Spanish Matri?
In regards to the numbers you posted, @TheLaz
Their goal per match-ratios for 2010/11 are exactly the same, with Matri actually being slightly (microscopically) better.
Llorente's (24/41 = 0,585 per match) vs. Matri's (20/34 = 0,588 per match).
The numbers are pretty much identical, so all in all; they had a similar goal per match ratio in that season.
However, Llorente beats Matri in 2011/12, but not by large margins or anything. Llorente scored slightly above half a goal per match in that season, whereas Matri scored slightly below half a goal per match.
Llorente (0,638), Matri (0,44).
Llorente wins in 2011/12, but I don't see why you would say "FFS look at his stats" and "Now please! Can we stop calling him the Spanish Matri" based on these numbers.
Their goal per match-ratios for 2010/11 are exactly the same, with Matri actually being slightly (microscopically) better.
Llorente's (24/41 = 0,585 per match) vs. Matri's (20/34 = 0,588 per match).
The numbers are pretty much identical, so all in all; they had a similar goal per match ratio in that season.
However, Llorente beats Matri in 2011/12, but not by large margins or anything. Llorente scored slightly above half a goal per match in that season, whereas Matri scored slightly below half a goal per match.
Llorente (0,638), Matri (0,44).
Llorente wins in 2011/12, but I don't see why you would say "FFS look at his stats" and "Now please! Can we stop calling him the Spanish Matri" based on these numbers.
Then again you could argue he played a big part in the success of his team with match winning performances. Matri has not been a star carrying a team like Llorente has in Bilbao. After scoring 30 goals - and that is a crazy number itself, regardless of minutes on the pitch - is an achievement that marks your name on the list of top strikers! In a league like BBVA it is truly amazing.. Matri is mediocre - when called the spanish matri it seems you consider Llorente mediocre just as well. He is not mediocre when in form.
Same level in skills, is a blatant lie.
Llorente has been instrumental for bilbao, carried them. The league finishes, the european campaign, so much him. He is targetman. return passer with back to goal thanks to good technical ability. aerial domminance. good finishing and convertion.
Matri plays simular role, but in comparison to Llorente, he falls short massively
- Llorente has much better technique. His controll rivels vucinic. for this reason you can send him any pass, he'll controll it and lay it off to an upcomming midfielder.
=>if matri is in the situation, the ball bounces away, he loses it, or his return pass is horrible+he lacks the vision
-Llorente's aerial game is MUCH better. He's one of the better headers in europe. Especially interesting for nodding on high passes.
=> cannot remember matri's last header turning into a goal.
- Llorente needs much less shots to score a goal. At the 2011/2012 he had a better team around him, got more chances and boom, up go the goals he scored
=>matri only converts decent with his good foot, over the ground. everything else is bad.
-Llorente runs very intelligent, closes down passing routes rather then run headless after the ball
=>matri doesnt think and just runs, wich ends up in tiring way faster
- Matri is very good in getting in dangerous positions. llorente is simularly good, but converts better, and more complete
Llorente has been instrumental for bilbao, carried them. The league finishes, the european campaign, so much him. He is targetman. return passer with back to goal thanks to good technical ability. aerial domminance. good finishing and convertion.
Matri plays simular role, but in comparison to Llorente, he falls short massively
- Llorente has much better technique. His controll rivels vucinic. for this reason you can send him any pass, he'll controll it and lay it off to an upcomming midfielder.
=>if matri is in the situation, the ball bounces away, he loses it, or his return pass is horrible+he lacks the vision
-Llorente's aerial game is MUCH better. He's one of the better headers in europe. Especially interesting for nodding on high passes.
=> cannot remember matri's last header turning into a goal.
- Llorente needs much less shots to score a goal. At the 2011/2012 he had a better team around him, got more chances and boom, up go the goals he scored
=>matri only converts decent with his good foot, over the ground. everything else is bad.
-Llorente runs very intelligent, closes down passing routes rather then run headless after the ball
=>matri doesnt think and just runs, wich ends up in tiring way faster
- Matri is very good in getting in dangerous positions. llorente is simularly good, but converts better, and more complete
I can give you at least 10 examples of crucial matches Matri settled. But I will leave you thinking about where we would've ended up in the table in the 2011/12 season if it wasn't for his equaliser against Milan at the San Siro..
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I'm not arguing that Llorente isn't the better player of the two, but I'm pointing out that you're exaggerating. The numbers you posted are proof of that.
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I'm not arguing that Llorente isn't the better player of the two, but I'm pointing out that you're exaggerating. The numbers you posted are proof of that.