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There you go, bro. This was a revolution, because honestly, Juve went from being a veteran team at the start of 2009-2010 to an old one at the end of that season. Revolutions such as these do not happen in the course of one year, or even two. We, as Juventus fans, are quite fortunate that they were able to turn it around last year, but my belief in how this transfer market has taken place is as follows.

#1) Despite the fact that juve won the Scudetto last year and gained entrance into the Champions League, they did not have the depth to be able to compete on 3 fronts. This is what I feel Juve have gone a long way to rectifying this summer with Isla, Asamoah, Giovinco, Lucio, and Pogba. They could have very well just thrown caution to the wind and spent, say, 45 million on Cavani and neglected the areas of depth which needed strenghtening with quality players.

Do you know what probably would have happened this year if they did that?

They would have ended up like Napoli did last year, exhausted to the very end and faltering not only in CL, but in Serie A, where they will now lose countless amounts of money without that CL revenue. And if you notice, they have adopted the same transfer policy so far that Juve have. And that is to acquire depth. The good news for us Juventus fans is that although they are solid picups for Napoli, I don't feel that the level of quality in their acquisitions so far, match what Juve have done.


#2) In nearly every transfer market, the transfers of strikers is usually the most intense, and drawn out, negotiations in a transfer market. The amount of quality in those positions, for teams willing to sell in the first place, pales in comparison to the midfield and defence. Only now, have we seen the first true Domino to fall with RVP to United.


I have confidence that this board/ownership know full well that a CF is of the utmost priority. However, what they have done so far with their acquisitions has been of very good quality, especially with Asamoah, and once people get a look at a fit Isla, they will be very pleasantly surprised.
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quality posts. usually teams that have no issue paying wages/transfer bills for a top player are either filty rich teams that overspend (PSG) or teams with a solid foundation (MAN U with Van persie, Or Bayern with Martinez)

I fully expect every major signing from next summer on to be a quality star player, because by now the foundation of the team are in place
 

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King of Kings said:
There you go, bro. This was a revolution, because honestly, Juve went from being a veteran team at the start of 2009-2010 to an old one at the end of that season. Revolutions such as these do not happen in the course of one year, or even two. We, as Juventus fans, are quite fortunate that they were able to turn it around last year, but my belief in how this transfer market has taken place is as follows.

#1) Despite the fact that juve won the Scudetto last year and gained entrance into the Champions League, they did not have the depth to be able to compete on 3 fronts. This is what I feel Juve have gone a long way to rectifying this summer with Isla, Asamoah, Giovinco, Lucio, and Pogba. They could have very well just thrown caution to the wind and spent, say, 45 million on Cavani and neglected the areas of depth which needed strenghtening with quality players.

Do you know what probably would have happened this year if they did that?

They would have ended up like Napoli did last year, exhausted to the very end and faltering not only in CL, but in Serie A, where they will now lose countless amounts of money without that CL revenue. And if you notice, they have adopted the same transfer policy so far that Juve have. And that is to acquire depth. The good news for us Juventus fans is that although they are solid picups for Napoli, I don't feel that the level of quality in their acquisitions so far, match what Juve have done.


#2) In nearly every transfer market, the transfers of strikers is usually the most intense, and drawn out, negotiations in a transfer market. The amount of quality in those positions, for teams willing to sell in the first place, pales in comparison to the midfield and defence. Only now, have we seen the first true Domino to fall with RVP to United.


I have confidence that this board/ownership know full well that a CF is of the utmost priority. However, what they have done so far with their acquisitions has been of very good quality, especially with Asamoah, and once people get a look at a fit Isla, they will be very pleasantly surprised.
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Lion said:
quality posts. usually teams that have no issue paying wages/transfer bills for a top player are either filty rich teams that overspend (PSG) or teams with a solid foundation (MAN U with Van persie, Or Bayern with Martinez)

I fully expect every major signing from next summer on to be a quality star player, because by now the foundation of the team are in place
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Bianconero81

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Lion said:
quality posts. usually teams that have no issue paying wages/transfer bills for a top player are either filty rich teams that overspend (PSG) or teams with a solid foundation (MAN U with Van persie, Or Bayern with Martinez)

I fully expect every major signing from next summer on to be a quality star player, because by now the foundation of the team are in place
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:agree: +Rep my Lioness.
 
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King of Kings said:
There you go, bro. This was a revolution, because honestly, Juve went from being a veteran team at the start of 2009-2010 to an old one at the end of that season. Revolutions such as these do not happen in the course of one year, or even two. We, as Juventus fans, are quite fortunate that they were able to turn it around last year, but my belief in how this transfer market has taken place is as follows.

#1) Despite the fact that juve won the Scudetto last year and gained entrance into the Champions League, they did not have the depth to be able to compete on 3 fronts. This is what I feel Juve have gone a long way to rectifying this summer with Isla, Asamoah, Giovinco, Lucio, and Pogba. They could have very well just thrown caution to the wind and spent, say, 45 million on Cavani and neglected the areas of depth which needed strenghtening with quality players.

Do you know what probably would have happened this year if they did that?

They would have ended up like Napoli did last year, exhausted to the very end and faltering not only in CL, but in Serie A, where they will now lose countless amounts of money without that CL revenue. And if you notice, they have adopted the same transfer policy so far that Juve have. And that is to acquire depth. The good news for us Juventus fans is that although they are solid picups for Napoli, I don't feel that the level of quality in their acquisitions so far, match what Juve have done.


#2) In nearly every transfer market, the transfers of strikers is usually the most intense, and drawn out, negotiations in a transfer market. The amount of quality in those positions, for teams willing to sell in the first place, pales in comparison to the midfield and defence. Only now, have we seen the first true Domino to fall with RVP to United.


I have confidence that this board/ownership know full well that a CF is of the utmost priority. However, what they have done so far with their acquisitions has been of very good quality, especially with Asamoah, and once people get a look at a fit Isla, they will be very pleasantly surprised.
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stupid post, -REP
 
Bianconero81

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i don´t know if it is :)
last season i was absolutely fine with it.
we had many departments to deal with and imo it was right to buy guys like licht, vidal and vucinic instead of splashing big on aguero or a similar top player. not to mention that nobody really knows how those negotiations really went... everybody just believes the part of the news he wants to believe.
imo it was right to distribute the weight on several shoulders because if we had bought this top player and he had gotten injured or anything like that the season would have been wasted. we played it safe and it worked out.

this season though, i can understand people raging about it, but:
i think asamoah was a must buy. no room for arguing there i guess. i´m also a big fan of the isla signing because he is a very versatile player who can cover a lot of position we are kinda "thin" at. arguing over the giovinco transfer seems pointless because it seems like their are only two types of people on this forum: lovers and haters :).
so at least we haven´t really wasted money we could have used for a top striker.
long story short: imo it´s fine to act as we did IF we still manage to buy a very decent striker (e.g. llorente) and hopefully a LWB (e.g. armero). i would give this mercato 9/10 (selling not included. different story).

there will be plenty of time for overpaying for a top striker next year when we can handle it :)
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King of Kings said:
There you go, bro. This was a revolution, because honestly, Juve went from being a veteran team at the start of 2009-2010 to an old one at the end of that season. Revolutions such as these do not happen in the course of one year, or even two. We, as Juventus fans, are quite fortunate that they were able to turn it around last year, but my belief in how this transfer market has taken place is as follows.

#1) Despite the fact that juve won the Scudetto last year and gained entrance into the Champions League, they did not have the depth to be able to compete on 3 fronts. This is what I feel Juve have gone a long way to rectifying this summer with Isla, Asamoah, Giovinco, Lucio, and Pogba. They could have very well just thrown caution to the wind and spent, say, 45 million on Cavani and neglected the areas of depth which needed strenghtening with quality players.

Do you know what probably would have happened this year if they did that?

They would have ended up like Napoli did last year, exhausted to the very end and faltering not only in CL, but in Serie A, where they will now lose countless amounts of money without that CL revenue. And if you notice, they have adopted the same transfer policy so far that Juve have. And that is to acquire depth. The good news for us Juventus fans is that although they are solid picups for Napoli, I don't feel that the level of quality in their acquisitions so far, match what Juve have done.


#2) In nearly every transfer market, the transfers of strikers is usually the most intense, and drawn out, negotiations in a transfer market. The amount of quality in those positions, for teams willing to sell in the first place, pales in comparison to the midfield and defence. Only now, have we seen the first true Domino to fall with RVP to United.


I have confidence that this board/ownership know full well that a CF is of the utmost priority. However, what they have done so far with their acquisitions has been of very good quality, especially with Asamoah, and once people get a look at a fit Isla, they will be very pleasantly surprised.
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Lion said:
quality posts. usually teams that have no issue paying wages/transfer bills for a top player are either filty rich teams that overspend (PSG) or teams with a solid foundation (MAN U with Van persie, Or Bayern with Martinez)

I fully expect every major signing from next summer on to be a quality star player, because by now the foundation of the team are in place
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:tup:
 
KB824

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Lion said:
quality posts. usually teams that have no issue paying wages/transfer bills for a top player are either filty rich teams that overspend (PSG) or teams with a solid foundation (MAN U with Van persie, Or Bayern with Martinez)

I fully expect every major signing from next summer on to be a quality star player, because by now the foundation of the team are in place
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And lets not forget that the aforementioned teams such as a Man U and a Bayern have never had to totally rebuild a squad in two years, whether it is due to their own ineptitude or outside forces nearly crippling a club.

They also have not had to have a massive turnover in coaches/directors, and or board members, either.


This Juve Club has been totally rebuilt from 2 years ago, from a squad with no future, to a squad where they are a younger, faster, deeper, and more skilled team than the one in 2009-2010.


And I think that people need to start thinking in baby steps when it comes to Juve being near to what they were 6 years ago. The need for 7-10 players every year simply wasn't there because they had quality players on that squad that were brought in from the previous 3-5 years combined.


This was a total rebuilding project, because it had to be. They had to make the tough decisions with letting Trez and Camo go, because they were not going to be a part of the long term plans of the club.

This stuff takes time, and they've already come back strong in the span of two years by getting back to the Champions League and winning Serie A in the second year of this rebuilding project.

Look, Marotta is not perfect. Far from it. The Martinez deal was horrible. Dreadful, even. But name on Director out there who is absolutely perfect with every move he makes. No one is.

But, take a look at the players that has brought over in the past 2 years, and especially take a look at the risks they are taking with actualy signing young talent in the past two seasons.
 

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That's it. I think we are 1 WC CF, 1 WC CB and 1 good LWB away from entering in the conversation of the top 5 teams in Europe. Marotta has done some shit, but in the end the reconstruction work was remarkable.
 
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