Fernando Llorente - ST - Athletic Bilbao (76 Viewers)

[JuveJay]

Errm..Its not like he's holding out for that figure.

They cant do anything in the end when the player is forcing himself out.

What if he is holding out for €25m? There is one thing they can do - sell him to who pays the most. That surely isn't going to be us, in auction conditions. So there is little 'favourable' about the conditions. Unless you believe the media word for word.

 

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[delpiero4life]

No decent striker is worth less then 20mil in 2012... 25 plus bonuses is a bit steep

 

[Dadi-SK]

Many people will have been excited and I for one was after reading in the Telegraph and ESPN That Llorente's agent had confirmed he is heading to the premier league!
Alas it is to be disregarded and sources Including the Times have now Stated That Bajo Carlos Arino is not the agent of Llorente and comments made by him Should be disregarded.
It is a concern That major news outlets Such as ESPN and the Telegraph would put this news out either not knowing or knowing the source of the lack of credibilty know it is a waste of time to read anything into That today. So do not get your hopes up just yet.

 

[Xperd]

What if he is holding out for €25m? There is one thing they can do - sell him to who pays the most. That surely isn't going to be us, in auction conditions. So there is little 'favourable' about the conditions. Unless you believe the media word for word.

Nope i am not believing the media 'word for word'..Infact i believe that report from Telegraph is BS.

Like i said they're just waiting if other clubs come forward and make a bigger bid than us and it doesnt seem like the case at this point..The interested clubs in this case(Spurs and Arsenal arent going to outbid us especially the latter,there is no concrete interest from either of the clubs anyway ,same with City).I dont believe any team is going to pay €25m for someone in the last year of his contract.

In conclusion ,yes i'd like to think these are favorable conditions for us.

 

[JCK]

Losing out on Llorente will be like a slap in Juve's face. We couldn't even get a player in a situation that's as favourable as it would get for a buying team. That said, I think our real target is Dzeko anyway and if we miss out on him too, then Marrotta should step down.

You just pulled a Cronios so blatantly.

 

[Salvatore]

You know you're saying we had a lack of funds and baggage from the secco era in his first season. But do you remember how that season played out? We made several new signings and tried overhauling the entire team. Despite the apparent lack of funds, Marrotta signed close to 11 new players if I'm not mistaken. Even that summer, Quag came as the last day signing after DiNatale and Borriello rejected us. Same happened with Matri, in the winter mercato, when he came at the death after we lost other targets one of which included Pazzini, thankfully.

He was selling in that summer as well, Diego, Poulsen, Ekdal, Criscito, Molinaro etc and most players IN were loan signings, that's where he got his rep from, trying to spread payments out as far as possible. His net spend wasn't that high in 2010 compared to these summers with Conte. There's definitely more money for him to work with.

And the rest of your post, I don't really remember exactly what happened at the end of the mercato in 2010. Juve received offers for Pepe and Bonucci, whether Marotta was offering them out or not, we both don't know that. Conte had the responsibility of telling Beppe whether he wanted them or not though.

 

[baggio]

And the rest of your post, I don't really remember exactly what happened at the end of the mercato in 2010. Juve received offers for Pepe and Bonucci, whether Marotta was offering them out or not, we both don't know that. Conte had the responsibility of telling Beppe whether he wanted them or not though.

Pepe and Bpnnucci both confirmed they were on the market and in talks with Zenit when Conte told them they were staying. The players themselves, not their agents. Unfortunately the interviews are too old to find, but I'd read it on fi or the like.

 

[JuveJay]

Yes, lets find an excuse for every target then? Shall we? If we don't want to pay, or have the ability to negotiate we should just blood our own youngsters. Welcome to the mercato.

And besides, I wasn't the one who mentioned Llorente in the first place. Marrotta did. Two years and running, talking about players like Aguero, Pastore, Dzeko, Cavani, Higuain etc. but no, lets all moan about the state this league is in and how we have no money. And absolve him if he fails to deliver Llorente by saying they wanted 36m.

What are you saying here? That because Marotta reacts positively to journalists asking him about player A, B and C that means we can afford them? I don't think you understand the transfer market game at all.

The reality is that not only do Juventus struggle on a financial level against other big European clubs, but also that Serie A is not as attractive a league. This is undeniable. Still, it doesn't mean we can't get very good players, or even a 'top player' with the right conditions. The right conditions are not paying whatever a club wants.

 

[baggio]

You just pulled a Cronios so blatantly.

I can't read between the lines.

 

[Salvatore]

Pepe and Bpnnucci both confirmed they were on the market and in talks with Zenit when Conte told them they were staying. The players themselves, not their agents. Unfortunately the interviews are too old to find, but I'd read it on fi or the like.

It was up to Conte to reject them though, not Marotta, that was the whole point of his arrival and what he spoke about in his very first press conference. He wanted to have control over the players coming in and out of this club. Look at how Ziegler was discarded after only a few months.

 

[JuveJay]

Nope i am not believing the media 'word for word'..Infact i believe that report from Telegraph is BS.

Like i said they're just waiting if other clubs come forward and make a bigger bid than us and it doesnt seem like the case at this point..The interested clubs in this case(Spurs and Arsenal arent going to outbid us especially the latter,there is no concrete interest from either of the clubs anyway ,same with City).I dont believe any team is going to pay €25m for someone in the last year of his contract.

In conclusion ,yes i'd like to think these are favorable conditions for us.

But basically you're just going off a hunch? That's fine, but the reality can be very different.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

What are you saying here? That because Marotta reacts positively to journalists asking him about player A, B and C that means we can afford them? I don't think you understand the transfer market game at all.

The reality is that not only do Juventus struggle on a financial level against other big European clubs, but also that Serie A is not as attractive a league. This is undeniable. Still, it doesn't mean we can't get very good players, or even a 'top player' with the right conditions. The right conditions are not paying whatever a club wants.

Evidently, this is still extremely hard for some people to grasp.

 

[blondu]

Sky: Fernando Llorente signed for Juventus for a reported fee of 18 million euros, with an additional 4 million in bonus.

hmmm.....

 

[Hydde]

Evidently, this is still extremely hard for some people to grasp.

yup, and because of this we need to work even harder in smashing serie A teams and CL teams alike. To overcome this serie A obctacle with money and prestige. But im not worried. With conte leading us and if we keep the pace from last year, coupled with our new stadium.... we will surely be a force once again in a couple years

 

[Lapa]

You just pulled a Cronios so blatantly.

I can't read between the lines.

 

[Hængebøffer]

He's better than Pazzini and Matri but not by a large margin.

Something about this rumor depresses the fuck out of me...


I smell a rush deal ala Luca Toni.

..

 

[baggio]

What are you saying here? That because Marotta reacts positively to journalists asking him about player A, B and C that means we can afford them? I don't think you understand the transfer market game at all.

The reality is that not only do Juventus struggle on a financial level against other big European clubs, but also that Serie A is not as attractive a league. This is undeniable. Still, it doesn't mean we can't get very good players, or even a 'top player' with the right conditions. The right conditions are not paying whatever a club wants.

Whose asking anybody to pay 36m? What are you expecting Urrutia to say? "Here you go Marrotta, take him on your terms, I've also packed some whole wheat bread and goat cheese for your journey back to Torino"

Seriously man, get a grip. Marrotta responding to anything positively, in the press anyway is what attracts the attention of other clubs, and drives up prices. He needs to talk less to begin with. There is absolutely no argument or so called 'favourable' conditions when attracting top talent. You have to have the money to contend when it comes to a certain level of player. There is no ifs and buts. We create the conditions. The team and system are already in place, but the game changing player is going to come at a price and there is no escaping that. You will not find a Vidal every season. Even Moggi knew that. And he broke the bank, for players who not only went onto become the core of one of the strongest teams in Europe, but also performed at phenomenal levels while attracting other players to the team. The marquee player or whatever we describe as a top player cost a lot for a reason.

A) They elevate overall game play. B) With football being as commercial as it has ever been, these players are not individual entities, they are brands. Their ability to generate income off the field is manifold. C) They become a reference point to attract a new generation of talent and fans alike.

Juve are missing this player. Alex as legendary as he was, did not have the commercial pull because of Juve not having the necessary visibility beyond Italy. With Juve modernising nearly every aspect of the club, it is very important to make this investment too.

 

[Nzoric]

yeah moggi broke the bank after we sold zidane

 

[Hængebøffer]

Whose asking anybody to pay 36m? What are you expecting Urrutia to say? "Here you go Marrotta, take him on your terms, I've also packed some whole wheat bread and goat cheese for your journey back to Torino"

Seriously man, get a grip. Marrotta responding to anything positively, in the press anyway is what attracts the attention of other clubs, and drives up prices. He needs to talk less to begin with. There is absolutely no argument or so called 'favourable' conditions when attracting top talent. You have to have the money to contend when it comes to a certain level of player. There is no ifs and buts. We create the conditions. The team and system are already in place, but the game changing player is going to come at a price and there is no escaping that. You will not find a Vidal every season. Even Moggi knew that. And he broke the bank, for players who not only went onto become the core of one of the strongest teams in Europe, but also performed at phenomenal levels while attracting other players to the team. The marquee player or whatever we describe as a top player cost a lot for a reason.

A) They elevate overall game play. B) With football being as commercial as it has ever been, these players are not individual entities, they are brands. Their ability to generate income off the field is manifold. C) They become a reference point to attract a new generation of talent and fans alike.

Juve are missing this player. Alex as legendary as he was, did not have the commercial pull because of Juve not having the necessary visibility beyond Italy. With Juve modernising nearly every aspect of the club, it is very important to make this investment too.

Because of Marotta clubs like City and Chelsea wants Llorente...

 

[baggio]

Evidently, this is still extremely hard for some people to grasp.

Yes Ligue 1 is where its at these days. Isn't it? The argument is simple. We can either use this excuse for the rest of our lives till Italy cleans up it's act, or we cam actually pay to bring in the top talent while we can so that it will help change opinion, and buck the trend a little in our favour?

And for the record, even if Italy was the best league in the whole wide world, Juve, Milan or whoever the hell it is would still have to pay big to get their players. The only difference is, these clubs are not as liquid today. Barca had to pay relatively close to Udine's asking price despite the fact that the player wanted to go there. Madrid had to pay big to get Cristiano. Manu had to pay big to get RVP.

This excuse that we tend to fall back on is a hindrance no doubt but it is actually a combination of factor that have seen us fail on the big names, and those factors includes our own attitude and approach.

---------- Post added 21.08.2012 at 19:52 ----------

yeah moggi broke the bank after we sold zidane

Yea so? The last I checked EXOR just helped the club with a rather healthy cash injection.