Make your mind up, man.
Marchisio must be either absolutely brilliant or utterly useless; which is it?
Marchisio must be either absolutely brilliant or utterly useless; which is it?
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So Melo was right and 100% justified to say what he did, because we had the intend to sell him and turn him into a scapegoat, despite his honest efforts.
Since he got here, he was always talking about how much he love playing with us and how much he would like to win with us.
But despite giving his best, we never really rated him and were planning to sell him, thats why he was felt betrayed and rightfully claimed that he is feeling that he is not rated, while worst players (Marchisio) are.
Anyways, he is gone and naturally will now see the best for his carrier, if he makes more bitter comments, it will only show that he actually had some plans for us and is sad to leave.
I wish him the best and as a Juventino, i just wish that we make a decent profit.
Despite being our best midfield, because he was playing for a mid table Italian club who has greatly underperformed, his market value is bound to reach its minimum levels.
We should avoid this, because we are about to lose a lot of money, its the worst possible moment to sell a player of such value, just like it was the worst possible moment to buy him when we did.
Secco is at fault to overpay him and Marotta is at fault to sell him out.
The maximum acceptable loss for this double failure is about 10mil, anything lower than that and Marotta will be proved a lesser transfer director than the water boy...
So we must make at least 15mil from his sale. IF we buy his successor Vidal, for a reduced price (9-12, whilst his actual value is 14-18), due to the reason of his contract ready to expire,
then i will consider this swap, a decent one, as the 10mil loss will be somewhat balanced by the 5mil profit.
Anything beyond that will be an incredibly stupid mode which will have many tactical (current priorities) and strategical (long term needs) implications.
This could be a step at turning our club into a lesser one...
As for Vidal, he is now overrated by our fans, because he is a new toy, after a good season, in a less competitive league, he is not better than Melo overall, but can be more useful along side Marchisio, as he may offer more offensively, but alongside Pirlo, who can do that even better but lacks the workrate to defend efficiently, Melo would be the better choice.
Since he got here, he was always talking about how much he love playing with us and how much he would like to win with us.
But despite giving his best, we never really rated him and were planning to sell him, thats why he was felt betrayed and rightfully claimed that he is feeling that he is not rated, while worst players (Marchisio) are.
Anyways, he is gone and naturally will now see the best for his carrier, if he makes more bitter comments, it will only show that he actually had some plans for us and is sad to leave.
I wish him the best and as a Juventino, i just wish that we make a decent profit.
Despite being our best midfield, because he was playing for a mid table Italian club who has greatly underperformed, his market value is bound to reach its minimum levels.
We should avoid this, because we are about to lose a lot of money, its the worst possible moment to sell a player of such value, just like it was the worst possible moment to buy him when we did.
Secco is at fault to overpay him and Marotta is at fault to sell him out.
The maximum acceptable loss for this double failure is about 10mil, anything lower than that and Marotta will be proved a lesser transfer director than the water boy...
So we must make at least 15mil from his sale. IF we buy his successor Vidal, for a reduced price (9-12, whilst his actual value is 14-18), due to the reason of his contract ready to expire,
then i will consider this swap, a decent one, as the 10mil loss will be somewhat balanced by the 5mil profit.
Anything beyond that will be an incredibly stupid mode which will have many tactical (current priorities) and strategical (long term needs) implications.
This could be a step at turning our club into a lesser one...
As for Vidal, he is now overrated by our fans, because he is a new toy, after a good season, in a less competitive league, he is not better than Melo overall, but can be more useful along side Marchisio, as he may offer more offensively, but alongside Pirlo, who can do that even better but lacks the workrate to defend efficiently, Melo would be the better choice.
Marchisio did the same as a CM as he did as a LM
Marchisio scored 4 goals and made 4 assists for Juve this year.
When he played CM he scored 2 goals
1. Against Sampdoria (Krasic-Melo-Marchisio-Pepe): http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/juv-sam.html
2. Against Udinese (Krasic-Melo-Marchisio-Pepe): http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/udi-juv.html
When he played CM he assisted 2 goals
1. Against Udinese (Krasic-Melo-Marchisio-Pepe): http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/udi-juv.html
2. Against Brescia (Krasic-Aquilani-Marchisio-Pepe): http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/juv-bre.html
When he played LM he scored 2 goals
1. Against Udinese (Krasic-Aquilani-Melo-Marchisio) http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/juv-udi.html
2. Against Palermo (Krasic-Aquilani-Melo-Marchisio) http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/pal-juv.html
When he played LM he assisted 2 goals
1. Against Lecce (Krasic-Aquilani-Melo-Marchisio): http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/juv-lec.html
2. Against Cesena (Pepe-Sissoko-Aquilani-Marchisio): http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/juv-ces.html
So, he did the same in terms of numbers both as a CM and LM. In terms of appearances, he played 14 times as a CM (in rounds: 1,2,3,4, 19, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 36 and 38) and 18 times as a LM ( in rounds: 6,7,8,9,10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 16, 18, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 34). On 6 matches he didn't play (rounds 5, 15, 17, 20, 35, 37).
That's a very little difference.
And the more important thing, on the 14 matches Marchisio played as a CM our results were 4-5-5 while as a LM our results were 7-7-4. When he didn't play we had 4-1-1.
So, we did great when he didn't play, we did ok when he was LM and we had negative result with him as a CM.
Hustini: SHUT UP!
Marchisio scored 4 goals and made 4 assists for Juve this year.
When he played CM he scored 2 goals
1. Against Sampdoria (Krasic-Melo-Marchisio-Pepe): http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/juv-sam.html
2. Against Udinese (Krasic-Melo-Marchisio-Pepe): http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/udi-juv.html
When he played CM he assisted 2 goals
1. Against Udinese (Krasic-Melo-Marchisio-Pepe): http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/udi-juv.html
2. Against Brescia (Krasic-Aquilani-Marchisio-Pepe): http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/juv-bre.html
When he played LM he scored 2 goals
1. Against Udinese (Krasic-Aquilani-Melo-Marchisio) http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/juv-udi.html
2. Against Palermo (Krasic-Aquilani-Melo-Marchisio) http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/pal-juv.html
When he played LM he assisted 2 goals
1. Against Lecce (Krasic-Aquilani-Melo-Marchisio): http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/juv-lec.html
2. Against Cesena (Pepe-Sissoko-Aquilani-Marchisio): http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/juv-ces.html
So, he did the same in terms of numbers both as a CM and LM. In terms of appearances, he played 14 times as a CM (in rounds: 1,2,3,4, 19, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 36 and 38) and 18 times as a LM ( in rounds: 6,7,8,9,10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 16, 18, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 34). On 6 matches he didn't play (rounds 5, 15, 17, 20, 35, 37).
That's a very little difference.
And the more important thing, on the 14 matches Marchisio played as a CM our results were 4-5-5 while as a LM our results were 7-7-4. When he didn't play we had 4-1-1.
So, we did great when he didn't play, we did ok when he was LM and we had negative result with him as a CM.
Hustini: SHUT UP!
But besides, even if Marchisio did net four goals and four assists at LM in 21 matches like Hustini purported, that's still not that impressive.
OK, fine. Marchisio works hard and plays a nice simple game. I'm not for selling him unless he receive a huge offer, but people need to finally admit the guy is simply a water-carrier. That's been my point all along. Marchisio can be the player who plays a quiet game around better players in a three-man midfield, but if we want to use him out wide or as a main player, this team is going to suck monkey balls. He's not a game-changing sort of player and he doesn't have the defensive ability Melo does.
But overall, my view is that Melo had the better season last year and I'm not changing my opinion on that. I know what I saw, and what I saw forms my opinion on Marchisio.
Marchisio did the same as a CM as he did as a LM
Marchisio scored 4 goals and made 4 assists for Juve this year.
When he played CM he scored 2 goals
1. Against Sampdoria (Krasic-Melo-Marchisio-Pepe): http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/juv-sam.html
2. Against Udinese (Krasic-Melo-Marchisio-Pepe): http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/udi-juv.html
When he played CM he assisted 2 goals
1. Against Udinese (Krasic-Melo-Marchisio-Pepe): http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/udi-juv.html
2. Against Brescia (Krasic-Aquilani-Marchisio-Pepe): http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/juv-bre.html
When he played LM he scored 2 goals
1. Against Udinese (Krasic-Aquilani-Melo-Marchisio) http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/juv-udi.html
2. Against Palermo (Krasic-Aquilani-Melo-Marchisio) http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/pal-juv.html
When he played LM he assisted 2 goals
1. Against Lecce (Krasic-Aquilani-Melo-Marchisio): http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/juv-lec.html
2. Against Cesena (Pepe-Sissoko-Aquilani-Marchisio): http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/juv-ces.html
So, he did the same in terms of numbers both as a CM and LM. In terms of appearances, he played 14 times as a CM (in rounds: 1,2,3,4, 19, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 36 and 38) and 18 times as a LM ( in rounds: 6,7,8,9,10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 16, 18, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 34). On 6 matches he didn't play (rounds 5, 15, 17, 20, 35, 37).
That's a very little difference.
And the more important thing, on the 14 matches Marchisio played as a CM our results were 4-5-5 while as a LM our results were 7-7-4. When he didn't play we had 4-1-1.
So, we did great when he didn't play, we did ok when he was LM and we had negative result with him as a CM.
Hustini: SHUT UP!
Marchisio scored 4 goals and made 4 assists for Juve this year.
When he played CM he scored 2 goals
1. Against Sampdoria (Krasic-Melo-Marchisio-Pepe): http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/juv-sam.html
2. Against Udinese (Krasic-Melo-Marchisio-Pepe): http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/udi-juv.html
When he played CM he assisted 2 goals
1. Against Udinese (Krasic-Melo-Marchisio-Pepe): http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/udi-juv.html
2. Against Brescia (Krasic-Aquilani-Marchisio-Pepe): http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/juv-bre.html
When he played LM he scored 2 goals
1. Against Udinese (Krasic-Aquilani-Melo-Marchisio) http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/juv-udi.html
2. Against Palermo (Krasic-Aquilani-Melo-Marchisio) http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/pal-juv.html
When he played LM he assisted 2 goals
1. Against Lecce (Krasic-Aquilani-Melo-Marchisio): http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/juv-lec.html
2. Against Cesena (Pepe-Sissoko-Aquilani-Marchisio): http://www.football-italia.net/sa1011/juv-ces.html
So, he did the same in terms of numbers both as a CM and LM. In terms of appearances, he played 14 times as a CM (in rounds: 1,2,3,4, 19, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 36 and 38) and 18 times as a LM ( in rounds: 6,7,8,9,10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 16, 18, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 34). On 6 matches he didn't play (rounds 5, 15, 17, 20, 35, 37).
That's a very little difference.
And the more important thing, on the 14 matches Marchisio played as a CM our results were 4-5-5 while as a LM our results were 7-7-4. When he didn't play we had 4-1-1.
So, we did great when he didn't play, we did ok when he was LM and we had negative result with him as a CM.
Hustini: SHUT UP!
