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When you are assigned for a job that you are not very good at, you first complain to the person assigned that job to you, if that person kept assigning you that job and didn't listen then you go the BOSS and complain. That is the way things work usually, or I don't know how things work usually in the land of butter grinding.
None of us have any way of knowing what goes on in the locker room. We don't know if, when or how often Melo complained to Ferrara.
I also do not know that he complained to the management. All I know is that he had some kind of meeting with some people of the management. A meeting that, as far as I know, was asked for by the management & not Melo.
If Melo really went around complaining to everybody I'd want him out of the club asap.
Frankly, I'm also a bit sick of reading :"Ciro uses him in the wrong position."
In the 1st few games of the season he was rather good, brilliant even at times. Nobody (not the media, not the fans, ...) ever said anything about using him wrong then. Now, he doesn't perform anymore in that exact same position and there's only one excuse being used. I don't know the reasons behind his crap form, but people who only blame that on the position he is playing should really take a closer look at our games.
And before people start labelling me as a Melo hater (or is it too late already?): No, I do not think Melo is the big(gest) reason for our crap form as of late, nor do I think he's a crap player (although he was overrated).
Oh, and butter grinding? Do you think I'm a freak or something?
I also do not know that he complained to the management. All I know is that he had some kind of meeting with some people of the management. A meeting that, as far as I know, was asked for by the management & not Melo.
If Melo really went around complaining to everybody I'd want him out of the club asap.
Frankly, I'm also a bit sick of reading :"Ciro uses him in the wrong position."
In the 1st few games of the season he was rather good, brilliant even at times. Nobody (not the media, not the fans, ...) ever said anything about using him wrong then. Now, he doesn't perform anymore in that exact same position and there's only one excuse being used. I don't know the reasons behind his crap form, but people who only blame that on the position he is playing should really take a closer look at our games.
And before people start labelling me as a Melo hater (or is it too late already?): No, I do not think Melo is the big(gest) reason for our crap form as of late, nor do I think he's a crap player (although he was overrated).
Oh, and butter grinding? Do you think I'm a freak or something?
It was reported today he complained to both Secco and Blanc that he is being used in the wrong position, which means there is a huge possibility he did say something to Ciro. I don’t see any problem in Melo going to his boss and saying that he is not being used properly. I would rather him saying that he doesn’t know how to play the position than keeping things the way it is. If I have a company I would always want the right people in the right position, if that one person we trained to do something that he is not capable of doing and still cannot do it, then I would respect the person more if he come and say “I really can’t do that” and would rather just move him to a position where he can excel instead. I would hate it if that person stayed in that position even though he is not good at it, and have more respect if he just come in and lay it out all on the table that he is just not fit to do this specific job. Also coaches and players always talk about the best position for a player, players would usually tell the coach where he would rather player and the final decision is up to the coach, this is not communism, players are allowed to give their opinion where they can serve the club better as long as if it’s in a respectful way, and then it is up to the coach to use the players in the right way to maximize the outcome of each one of his players. Also, we are not making up the ciro uses him in the wrong position sentence, because it is a fact that he is being misused, the guy has no talent on the ball what’s so ever and can’t distribute the ball like the best out there (Pirlio, Xavi, Alonso, ..etc). He is being allowed to go up high in the field and then he gets caught out of position a lot, Melo should not be allowed to be anywhere near the area of the other team. His best position is to play him next to play maker type and let him dictate his physical style and then a short pass to somebody who can dictate the game with his passing and spreading the ball all over the place. We need a pirlo type of player in between one of these two (Melo, Marchsio, and Sissoko), also ciro is being an idiot for playing wingers in the 4-3-2-1, because the 4-3-2-1 don’t and will never depend on wingers, you need excellent backs for the 4-3-2-1 with a lot of pace who can cover plenty of pace quickly, two bad our backs are not up to the task except for Caceres who has been brilliant because the 4-3-2-1 is formation that backs should transform into wingers upon attacking. That’s why many of the blame go to Ciro and the management. The management are to be blamed for getting the blame for not buying the right player, and ciro for being an idiot/stubborn for keep using those players in the position that they will never excel. Giovinco for example should be best used as a second striker but he keeps subbing him in the last 20 minutes as a winger. Sometimes when things don’t work, you just have to change it according to what you have.
P.S I don’t know you to tell if you are a freak or not, but nothing wrong in grinding butter as long as it’s light butter.
Agreed there. Took the words right out of my mouth. Nobody mentioned anything in the beginning of the season and that includes Melo.
Now I don't what was the plan before he was brought in (actually its interesting if it was mentioned to him that he was brought to play in that position) but we need him to play in that position.
Recently everyone has been talking about him as deep laying playmaker, and maybe that is not his real position where he is required to make great passes. But his issues started with him chewing on the ball too long, making the simple passes complicated, couldn't even play the short passes, awareness and then his mental aspect with external pressure getting to him.
Now if am not mistaken a midfielder with his quality will be required to demonstrate better performance in all of them. Hell he was playing like crap even in the 4-2-3-1!
Ciro takes blame because he is not directing him better and motivating him but Melo needs to step up show some endeavor because those fans, critics etc will not leave him a lone until he does that.
Now I don't what was the plan before he was brought in (actually its interesting if it was mentioned to him that he was brought to play in that position) but we need him to play in that position.
Recently everyone has been talking about him as deep laying playmaker, and maybe that is not his real position where he is required to make great passes. But his issues started with him chewing on the ball too long, making the simple passes complicated, couldn't even play the short passes, awareness and then his mental aspect with external pressure getting to him.
Now if am not mistaken a midfielder with his quality will be required to demonstrate better performance in all of them. Hell he was playing like crap even in the 4-2-3-1!
Ciro takes blame because he is not directing him better and motivating him but Melo needs to step up show some endeavor because those fans, critics etc will not leave him a lone until he does that.
If he hadnt shown up untill now what he is capable of i would have agreed with every criticism about Melo's play. But since we have seen what he is capable of doing, in the first 4-5 matches of this season, then its a fact that he is only in a bad for just every other player in the team (except Caseres)!!
But out of all our players he's been the worse, seriously. The guy doesn't even run at times. I don't think its just about a bad period. IMO its an attitude problem that he has.
With Diego for example, one can sence that the guy tries pretty hard. Things are not working well with him right now but atleast he's giving he's all. With Melo I feel like he doesn't give a shit anymore if he performed or not, thats the impression that i get when i watch him.
With Diego for example, one can sence that the guy tries pretty hard. Things are not working well with him right now but atleast he's giving he's all. With Melo I feel like he doesn't give a shit anymore if he performed or not, thats the impression that i get when i watch him.
Corvino criticises Juve over Melo Wednesday 23 December, 2009
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Fiorentina director of sport Pantaleo Corvino has criticised Juventus for trying to use Felipe Melo as a playmaker and not an anchorman.
The Brazil international has come under intense scrutiny since his €18.5m transfer from Fiorentina during the summer.
He was substituted after barely half an hour on Sunday under a cacophony of whistles from Juventus fans and later complained that Ciro Ferrara asks him to create rather than break down play.
Ferrara was under fire this morning from Brazil Coach Dunga who made Melo an integral part of his Confederations Cup side.
Corvino, the man who signed Melo for just €6m from Spanish side Almeria last year, has now added his voice to those critical of Juventus's handling of the 26-year-old.
Speaking to Sky Sport Italia, Corvino said: “Before Melo's arrival we played with a three-man midfield and the lowest player of this midfield was Fabio Liverani, a classic playmaker who started from behind the front line.
“At the end of the season Prandelli said to me that he wanted a connoisseur who had more quantity than quality and so I went to sign Felipe Melo from Almeria.
“I knew him since the time he won the Brazilian League with Cruzeiro and I knew that he had good feet and so I thought I did a good piece of business at that price.
“He expressed himself well with us and he has also done well with the Brazilian national team. He is playing with the same system that Fiorentina adopted.
“For a long time during the season we played with a trequartista who was Santana. In Brazil it's different because they play with two holding midfielders in front of the defence: Melo and Gilberto Silva.
“I think that Juventus have not made any mistakes from a tactical point of view. Having two strikers plus Diego you need three central midfielders capable of making more interceptions than being creative.
“The problem is that you always tend to see the player who is in front of the defence as a playmaker, while I think Juve had need of a player of quantity. If then there is also quality so much the better,” he concluded.
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at least he knows what is football and tactic.. look at our sporting director.. he knows shit!
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Fiorentina director of sport Pantaleo Corvino has criticised Juventus for trying to use Felipe Melo as a playmaker and not an anchorman.
The Brazil international has come under intense scrutiny since his €18.5m transfer from Fiorentina during the summer.
He was substituted after barely half an hour on Sunday under a cacophony of whistles from Juventus fans and later complained that Ciro Ferrara asks him to create rather than break down play.
Ferrara was under fire this morning from Brazil Coach Dunga who made Melo an integral part of his Confederations Cup side.
Corvino, the man who signed Melo for just €6m from Spanish side Almeria last year, has now added his voice to those critical of Juventus's handling of the 26-year-old.
Speaking to Sky Sport Italia, Corvino said: “Before Melo's arrival we played with a three-man midfield and the lowest player of this midfield was Fabio Liverani, a classic playmaker who started from behind the front line.
“At the end of the season Prandelli said to me that he wanted a connoisseur who had more quantity than quality and so I went to sign Felipe Melo from Almeria.
“I knew him since the time he won the Brazilian League with Cruzeiro and I knew that he had good feet and so I thought I did a good piece of business at that price.
“He expressed himself well with us and he has also done well with the Brazilian national team. He is playing with the same system that Fiorentina adopted.
“For a long time during the season we played with a trequartista who was Santana. In Brazil it's different because they play with two holding midfielders in front of the defence: Melo and Gilberto Silva.
“I think that Juventus have not made any mistakes from a tactical point of view. Having two strikers plus Diego you need three central midfielders capable of making more interceptions than being creative.
“The problem is that you always tend to see the player who is in front of the defence as a playmaker, while I think Juve had need of a player of quantity. If then there is also quality so much the better,” he concluded.
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at least he knows what is football and tactic.. look at our sporting director.. he knows shit!
Melo and Diego perform better in a 4-2-3-1, it's obvious. I can't really explain why it went ok in the first games, but let's be honest, those games we won then weren't because of our brilliant play.
We played attractive football when we changed to the single striker system dominating teams on our path. ( Ok forget the Napoli fuck up )
The only 'problem' we've got is that we have alot of strikers and alot of CM/DMs. Main issue here would be Del Piero, who simply can't function in a 4-2-3-1.
Our strikers are getting old though, and a few of those midfielders shouldn't be in Juventus in the first place ( Tiaga anyone? ).
If you look at our big signings and youngsters like Giovinco, a 4-2-3-1 would be more suitable, that's why I've been sayin that I want to see that line-up again, just to see whether that would actually make a difference like it did back when we first gave it a go.
All I get though are people complaining on how 1 striker isn't enough, now tell me when was the last time we scored 12 goals in 3 games with 2 strikers?
We played attractive football when we changed to the single striker system dominating teams on our path. ( Ok forget the Napoli fuck up
)The only 'problem' we've got is that we have alot of strikers and alot of CM/DMs. Main issue here would be Del Piero, who simply can't function in a 4-2-3-1.
Our strikers are getting old though, and a few of those midfielders shouldn't be in Juventus in the first place ( Tiaga anyone? ).
If you look at our big signings and youngsters like Giovinco, a 4-2-3-1 would be more suitable, that's why I've been sayin that I want to see that line-up again, just to see whether that would actually make a difference like it did back when we first gave it a go.
All I get though are people complaining on how 1 striker isn't enough, now tell me when was the last time we scored 12 goals in 3 games with 2 strikers?
Pathetic headline!
"Lui sta giocando con lo stesso sistema che adottava la Fiorentina. Per molto tempo durante la stagione abbiamo giocato con il trequartista, che era Santana. Nel Brasile invece è diverso, perché giocano con due mediani davanti alla difesa: Melo e Gilberto Silva. Io penso che la Juventus non ha sbagliato niente dal punto di vista tattico. Avendo due attaccanti più Diego aveva bisogno di tre centrocampisti più di interdizione che di regia. Il problema è che si tende sempre a vedere il giocatore che sta davanti alla difesa come un regista, mentre io penso che la Juve avesse bisogno di un giocatore di quantità. Se poi c'è anche qualità tanto meglio"
Diego: yes, probably.
Melo: I don't know, possibly.
I'm not against the 4-2-3-1 by any means though.
"Lui sta giocando con lo stesso sistema che adottava la Fiorentina. Per molto tempo durante la stagione abbiamo giocato con il trequartista, che era Santana. Nel Brasile invece è diverso, perché giocano con due mediani davanti alla difesa: Melo e Gilberto Silva. Io penso che la Juventus non ha sbagliato niente dal punto di vista tattico. Avendo due attaccanti più Diego aveva bisogno di tre centrocampisti più di interdizione che di regia. Il problema è che si tende sempre a vedere il giocatore che sta davanti alla difesa come un regista, mentre io penso che la Juve avesse bisogno di un giocatore di quantità. Se poi c'è anche qualità tanto meglio"
Diego: yes, probably.
Melo: I don't know, possibly.
I'm not against the 4-2-3-1 by any means though.
Why the hell aren't we just playing the 4-2-3-1? Its obvious that this is the formation we should be using and if that means that Del Piero gets stuck in the bench then so be it. Ciro just needs to understand that the 4-3-1-2 has been a nightmare and that 4-2-3-1 is the way to get the best out of your players.