Federico Peluso - LB - Atalanta (12 Viewers)

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Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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Inter signed Alvaro Pereira for merely +10mil, we cant we go over those Pelusos?
Strange how we could offer that ammount for Giabiadismth and we cant find a proper starter in a 7 year quest...
Sometimes I think people go too far harrassing you, then you post something like that and I can see exactly where they are coming from.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
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If Asamoah plays like he did the last two matches we don't need to worry for LWB position.
true that, better add the ammount we had for Peluso on the finisher quest...

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Sometimes I think people go too far harrassing you, then you post something like that and I can see exactly where they are coming from.
did i insulted anyone, (or even mentioned a poster here?) were you pleased with the Molinaro, Grosso etc situation, isnt this 7 year issue deservedly criticised??
Why should anyone feel personally offended, by criticising this cronic issue? I really dont understand that, its not like any of us did it...
Dont you want to see this issue fixed for good, should we just keep ignoring it?
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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did i insulted anyone, were you pleased with the Molinaro, Grosso etc situation, isnt this 7 year issue deservedly criticised??
Why should anyone feel personally offended, by criticising this cronic issue?
Juve have a problem at LB/LWB and have had that issue for several years - that is a legitimate point.

Then you go and come out with some utter shite about Gabbiadini - a player Juve committed about 3.5m to as an investement for the future.
 

Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
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Juve have a problem at LB/LWB and have had that issue for several years - that is a legitimate point.

Then you go and come out with some utter shite about Gabbiadini - a player Juve committed about 3.5m to as an investement for the future.
But wait, you are talking about 3.5€, right? Do you know how much is that in C$? It's somewhere around €15m, so you have to understand Cronios here.
 

Cronios

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Jun 7, 2004
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Juve have a problem at LB/LWB and have had that issue for several years - that is a legitimate point.

Then you go and come out with some utter $#@!e about Gabbiadini - a player Juve committed about 3.5m to as an investement for the future.
There are different articles about his price, kind of confusing, most say that he is valued at 11mil though,
(a price first mentioned by others, not me, in his thread amongst other and seems to be aproved by several sources of the posters there) we payed 5,5 but because we took 2 for another player, only had to flush out 3,5 now for 50% of his contract.
The point is though, that with 3,5 mil, we could not buy that player and it is misleading to say that we did for that ammount!

As we have seen in the past with Marotta's co own fiaskos, we end up paying more than the estimated price in the end.
And we always pay the other half, even if we have double thoughts about it (like in Matri, Pepe and Motta deals) so it is assumed that the deal was already made and this what the clubs do, to ease them selves with the installments.

IMO, the price is fixed and the ammount is commited.
This is not a transfer to fool around, we believe in him and we have commited the ammount now, before he becomes more expensive.
I dont believe that starting next year, we will cut the other 5,5 mil from next year's budget, as this didnt happen in the past either. And noone here either will.

So to simplify this, i calculate the commited sums of the total value of the player, for the season we sign him.
Same for our sales, as we will know that the installments will come next years.
This is my standard evaluation for all transfer matters, be my guest to promote a simplier way to calculate those complicated transfers, that expands in many years and may include many players...

And as for the players included in the deal. IMO, they should be considered a different transfer.
For ex, those 2 mil we got, would have come as an income anyway and would help to make Cavani's acquisition easier, for ex.
It doesnt have to be tied to the calculations of the commited sum of this transfers. It is dangerous and misleading, esp for the added reason, that when we sell a guy to buy another, it ussually is a favor and we are actually selling off that guy, for a price lesser of his true value, which means that we are actually loosing money twice instead of makng...

Regardless of the final price of Gabiadini, do you disagree that we could have found a player of Pereiras caliber, if we were looking for it in the global market, ready to commit that ammount, regardless of the installment method?

That was the essence of my meaning. I sincerely believe that we could afford that ammount.
I have no intention to hurt anyone's feeling here for believing that and i apologise in advance for anyone how finds it insulting, for me to believe that we can afford 10 mil for a starter.
I cannot even think of a reason anyone would, but some do...
 

Suns

Release clause?
May 22, 2009
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There are different articles about his price, kind of confusing, most say that he is valued at 11mil though,
(a price first mentioned by others, not me, in his thread amongst other and seems to be aproved by several sources of the posters there) we payed 5,5 but because we took 2 for another player, only had to flush out 3,5 now for 50% of his contract.
The point is though, that with 3,5 mil, we could not buy that player and it is misleading to say that we did for that ammount!

As we have seen in the past with Marotta's co own fiaskos, we end up paying more than the estimated price in the end.
And we always pay the other half, even if we have double thoughts about it (like in Matri, Pepe and Motta deals) so it is assumed that the deal was already made and this what the clubs do, to ease them selves with the installments.

IMO, the price is fixed and the ammount is commited.
This is not a transfer to fool around, we believe in him and we have commited the ammount now, before he becomes more expensive.
I dont believe that starting next year, we will cut the other 5,5 mil from next year's budget, as this didnt happen in the past either. And noone here either will.

So to simplify this, i calculate the commited sums of the total value of the player, for the season we sign him.
Same for our sales, as we will know that the installments will come next years.
This is my standard evaluation for all transfer matters, be my guest to promote a simplier way to calculate those complicated transfers, that expands in many years and may include many players...

And as for the players included in the deal. IMO, they should be considered a different transfer.
For ex, those 2 mil we got, would have come as an income anyway and would help to make Cavani's acquisition easier, for ex.
It doesnt have to be tied to the calculations of the commited sum of this transfers. It is dangerous and misleading, esp for the added reason, that when we sell a guy to buy another, it ussually is a favor and we are actually selling off that guy, for a price lesser of his true value, which means that we are actually loosing money twice instead of makng...

Regardless of the final price of Gabiadini, do you disagree that we could have found a player of Pereiras caliber, if we were looking for it in the global market, ready to commit that ammount, regardless of the installment method?

That was the essence of my meaning. I sincerely believe that we could afford that ammount.
I have no intention to hurt anyone's feeling here for believing that and i apologise in advance for anyone how finds it insulting, for me to believe that we can afford 10 mil for a starter.
I cannot even think of a reason anyone would, but some do...
What kind of a surgeon are you Cron? How do you have time to write these essays on the forum? Don't you have surgeries that last hours and hours?
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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@Cronios,

I think it's far too early to know what will happen with Gabbiadini and whether Juve will buy his other half or if he'll turn out to not be much good and Juve will sell his half for a couple of million and have only lost 1-2m in gambling on a young player.

Could Juve have signed a good LWB for ~10m?

Yes, probably.

However, Juve have several alright options for that position as things stand, so I'm not sure I'd be overly critical of Juve looking to make some investments for the future rather than being hugely concerned about making a significant investment on that position.

Who knows, Juve may revert to 4-3-3 more than many are anticipating just now, so that may be why they aren't prioritising a signing for LWB?
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
What kind of a surgeon are you Cron? How do you have time to write these essays on the forum? Don't you have surgeries that last hours and hours?
i am not a surgeon, but radiologist and i have a day off after a full 24h day service:angel:

My tme is limited indeed though, the free time is rather valuable to do the things you couldnt do while been kept inside.
Sometimes in my free days i get yet more tired, as i try to make up for the lost time. Thats why i may dissapear from the forums for days occasionally.
Yesterday was the first matchday of the season, it was the perfect time to speak about Juve and i was too tired to go out.
Today i kind of wasted my evening in here and i kind of regret that, i hoped that it is worthy that this madness would end...

Anyways, Red is a member i respect a lot and due to my haters my posts are twsted in a way that can mislead in awful directions.
I consder t important to explain my stance in greater detal.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
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@Cronios,

I think it's far too early to know what will happen with Gabbiadini and whether Juve will buy his other half or if he'll turn out to not be much good and Juve will sell his half for a couple of million and have only lost 1-2m in gambling on a young player.

Could Juve have signed a good LWB for ~10m?

Yes, probably.

However, Juve have several alright options for that position as things stand, so I'm not sure I'd be overly critical of Juve looking to make some investments for the future rather than being hugely concerned about making a significant investment on that position.

Who knows, Juve may revert to 4-3-3 more than many are anticipating just now, so that may be why they aren't prioritising a signing for LWB?
True and my point is exactly that.
For seven years i see us suffering from the lack of a decent LB, i consider every starter spot important and i do not agree with us ignoring that and compromise it with half measures.
I believe that certain choices are keeping us locked there. It is not a coincdence that we refused to invest when our system categorically needed such a player and our team's performance was heavily affected by weaklings like Molinaro.
I am afraid that the same reasons apply here as well...

Indeed Conte may have an alternative plan in mind and will surely adapt to the situation.
But, we rob our selves of a real option there, it is not that hard of a task and imho it should take priority over fine tuning other places we are very well covered.
 

Ahmed

Principino
Sep 3, 2006
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yes never mind that the current LWB has given us 2 MOTM performances in competitive fixtures.

we need to satisfy your non-Italian mercato fetish.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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True and my point is exactly that.
For seven years i see us suffering from the lack of a decent LB, i consider every starter spot important and i do not agree with us ignoring that and compromise it with half measures.
I believe that certain choices are keeping us locked there. It is not a coincdence that we refused to invest when our system categorically needed such a player and our team's performance was heavily affected by weaklings like Molinaro.
I am afraid that the same reasons apply here as well...

Indeed Conte may have an alternative plan in mind and will surely adapt to the situation.
But, we rob our selves of a real option there, it is not that hard of a task and imho it should take priority over fine tuning other places we are very well covered.
Part of my stance on the LWB position is linked to the CF.

If Juve get the good CF, it will be understandable that their budget may not have stretched to getting a good LWB, too.

If Juve fail to get the CF, then it will be harder to justify not making an investment for a different starting position.
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
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Gazzetta:Juve very close to the deal with Atalanta for Peluso..Loan with an option to buy for €6m and Boakye could be given on loan to Atalanta in return.
 

Joe

Senior Member
Dec 20, 2009
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I don't think we need Peluso.

Asamoah has been playing great as a LWB, we have De Ceglie who could play there too and Giaccherini in emergencies. De Ceglie AND Chiellini can play as LBs as well.

Just save our money and go for a striker. :cry:
 
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