Federico Chiesa (86 Viewers)

Amer

Senior Member
Feb 13, 2005
11,275
You guys call names and make fun of our ds, make fun of people, and now play victim, lol. Surprise after surprise.

Who said you can't write anything before season start, lol. People said wait for season start before judge. And just for that you go around and make fun of them :lol2:
Who's judging?

May I remind you sir we have a season opener in 5 days. We lack 4 quality starters (LW, AM, RW, CB), and 5-6 depth players since we ousted many players from the squad recently.

Those are the facts bro.

I heard the other day we're signing Kulolu and we will try to immediately integrate him in the squad and get him ready for Como game. You ain't integrating anyone anywhere in the right way in 5 days.

That is also a fact bro.

You see, I'm no Judge Judy.
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,784
and this is why the last thing you want to do is reward the player by allowing him to play and gain more "trafic" and when the season is over you left empty handed.
We're not left empty handed. We're (likely) left in a better position in the Serie A table and hopefully further in the other tournaments we're in, meaning more money. Leaving him out to start I guess Weah in his place will hurt us far more than him in our current state.

in both cases you lose him for free so why not find replacement that you can count on right now and maybe in the process you will make him change his mind and come begging for renewal ?
Not sure if you've been following the transfer threads recently but.............

there is also the bigger picture here, what message will it send to other players ?
if, a big if, the case was about a great talent, someone with a proven record maybe it was worth the risk,
but for someone so inconsistence, moody and not so much of star it would be pure irresponsibility.
If we refuse to play him? Something like "don't go to Juventus, they'll try to keep you hostage." Can you think of a time when a club did this and came out looking better for it? I certainly can't.
 

athas

Senior Member
Jul 15, 2007
576
Who's judging?

May I remind you sir we have a season opener in 5 days. We lack 4 quality starters (LW, AM, RW, CB), and 5-6 depth players since we ousted many players from the squad recently.

Those are the facts bro.

I heard the other day we're signing Kulolu and we will try to immediately integrate him in the squad and get him ready for Como game. You ain't integrating anyone anywhere in the right way in 5 days.

That is also a fact bro.

You see, I'm no Judge Judy.
Call our ds a fraud and some funny nick name is not judging? And you guys keep making fun of people asking for patience. Yesterday you made fun of our club slogan, a beautiful culture, and your reason is a bad friendly match. I'm just speechless.

The fact is our squad lacks 4 signings. 3 starter(LW, AM, CB) and a good RW. They are working for it, some can be very close. It's not lack 5-6 depth players like you said. Why made up things? It's understandable if you argue about the quality.


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Buying late is a fair argument. But remember, not everything must be in your favor. Review any transfer windows, you'll see most of the deal completed from August 15 onward. Most clubs operated that way, do you come to them and say: "Hi, this year we have to do a lot, you guys must do faster?" :rolleyes2: Do you know the club's financial? They make ~450M loss over last 3 years, and this year our ds has to build a new squad with a negative budget. You do an easy thing, that's complain and complain. And I'm fine with that, just don't insult, make fun of people with different thoughts with you.
 

Amer

Senior Member
Feb 13, 2005
11,275
Call our ds a fraud and some funny nick name is not judging? And you guys keep making fun of people asking for patience. Yesterday you made fun of our club slogan, a beautiful culture, and your reason is a bad friendly match. I'm just speechless.

The fact is our squad lacks 4 signings. 3 starter(LW, AM, CB) and a good RW. They are working for it, some can be very close. It's not lack 5-6 depth players like you said. Why made up things? It's understandable if you argue about the quality.


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Buying late is a fair argument. But remember, not everything must be in your favor. Review any transfer windows, you'll see most of the deal completed from August 15 onward. Most clubs operated that way, do you come to them and say: "Hi, this year we have to do a lot, you guys must do faster?" :rolleyes2: Do you know the club's financial? They make ~450M loss over last 3 years, and this year our ds has to build a new squad with a negative budget. You do an easy thing, that's complain and complain. And I'm fine with that, just don't insult, make fun of people with different thoughts with you.
Again, I'm not here to insult anyone. I only deliver facts.

And I will only talk about facts again.

The fact that you had to use so many colors in that squad tree only backs up my claim that we still lack 4 quality signed players, and 5-6 depth players (not random Next gen players) only 5 days before the season opener.

Yes, we made a huge loss over the years, that is also a fact. But the fact is also that we already sold some of our best young talent this summer and there's money kicking in. Is it enough? Of course it's not enough, because we sold them below real market prices.
 

athas

Senior Member
Jul 15, 2007
576
Again, I'm not here to insult anyone. I only deliver facts.

And I will only talk about facts again.

The fact that you had to use so many colors in that squad tree only backs up my claim that we still lack 4 quality signed players, and 5-6 depth players (not random Next gen players) only 5 days before the season opener.

Yes, we made a huge loss over the years, that is also a fact. But the fact is also that we already sold some of our best young talent this summer and there's money kicking in. Is it enough? Of course it's not enough, because we sold them below real market prices.
Look again. Red ones are players they need to buy, and I did say we lack 4 right now. Blue ones are homegrown, not next gen. Purpe ones are new signings. All of those are first team players, confirmed by our offficial page. They have trained with the squad from day one, and management decided to keep them.

You complain about late signing. And I present the fact is most deals happen from August 15 onward. Why discuss sell low or high? How can I know how much money is enough for this or that players?

One more thing you can check is the way Motta operates. Last year in 38 matches, he used mostly 17-18 players. His idea is different than a clear first team - sub hierachy. So expect a thinner squad than usual.
 

Amer

Senior Member
Feb 13, 2005
11,275
Look again. Red ones are players they need to buy, and I did say we lack 4 right now. Blue ones are homegrown, not next gen. Purpe ones are new signings. All of those are first team players, confirmed by our offficial page. They have trained with the squad from day one, and management decided to keep them.

You complain about late signing. And I present the fact is most deals happen from August 15 onward. Why discuss sell low or high? How can I know how much money is enough for this or that players?

One more thing you can check is the way Motta operates. Last year in 38 matches, he used mostly 17-18 players. His idea is different than a clear first team - sub hierachy. So expect a thinner squad than usual.
I expect thinner results also bro, that's what I expect.

We have 4 competitions this season.

May I remind you we have also Club World Cup to participate in?

Squad of 17-18 players for and small club like Bologna is perfect. For Juve it's a disaster incoming.
 

athas

Senior Member
Jul 15, 2007
576
I expect thinner results also bro, that's what I expect.

We have 4 competitions this season.

May I remind you we have also Club World Cup to participate in?

Squad of 17-18 players for and small club like Bologna is perfect. For Juve it's a disaster incoming.
So we agree that you made things up about squad lack 5-6 depth players.

Now let's continue.

Last year Bologna plays 38+ matches in Serie A. Motta used mostly 17-18 players.

This year we'll play 50-60 matches depend on how far we can get, ~30% more. We are building a squad with 23-24 players, ~30% larger. The picture above is squad consist of 24 players.

I have doubt with this approach as well. But that's their calculated plan. A quote from Motta: "We will have 23-24 starters in the first team for many games. A great and healthy competition is nice"

https://football-italia.net/every-word-thiago-motta-first-juventus-presser/
 

Amer

Senior Member
Feb 13, 2005
11,275
So we agree that you made things up about squad lack 5-6 depth players.

Now let's continue.

Last year Bologna plays 38+ matches in Serie A. Motta used mostly 17-18 players.

This year we'll play 50-60 matches depend on how far we can get, ~30% more. We are building a squad with 23-24 players, ~30% larger. The picture above is squad consist of 24 players.

I have doubt with this approach as well. But that's their calculated plan. A quote from Motta: "We will have 23-24 starters in the first team for many games. A great and healthy competition is nice"

https://football-italia.net/every-word-thiago-motta-first-juventus-presser/
Bro, how did I made things up?

You have Savona, Rouhi, Adzic... as depth. That's not depth. Those are Next Gen players that probably never made a first-team appearance with us in an official match.

Depth player is Sturaro, someone with Serie A experience you can count on to punch anyone when needed, or make a last centimeter save from the line.

So you admit you have doubts bro.

Well welcome to the Facts club.

Everybody hating on us, but we still strong and delivering!
 

Juve$Life

New Member
Jun 21, 2016
43
We're not left empty handed. We're (likely) left in a better position in the Serie A table and hopefully further in the other tournaments we're in, meaning more money. Leaving him out to start I guess Weah in his place will hurt us far more than him in our current state.
i think you are a bit unrealistic here, in the last 4 years he barely had an impact on our outputs , if that was the case i'm sure we wouldn't have this conversation at all.
and even if this would be the case - you will need to find a new player to integrate to the system since this gold-digger will require even higher paycheck.

If we refuse to play him? Something like "don't go to Juventus, they'll try to keep you hostage." Can you think of a time when a club did this and came out looking better for it? I certainly can't.
there is a huge difference between player who wants to move on to a bigger challenge and a player who is just trying to milk you.
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,557
Yesterday, the summit between the management of Roma and Ramadani. The Giallorossi continue to monitor the Chiesa issue. [Nico Schira]
some journalist posted that ramadani was asked to mediate for a dybala - chiesa swap. it smells bs but for a second imagine if roma ends up with chiesa and soulé and we take their (now) overpaid deadwood in dybala :rofl: that would be the ultimate cuck move
 

BIG DADDY!!!

Senior Member
Mar 12, 2004
5,290
Yesterday, the summit between the management of Roma and Ramadani. The Giallorossi continue to monitor the Chiesa issue. [Nico Schira]
If this happens then Roma would have totally humiliated us this Mercato.

Taking Soule first on their conditions then with Chisea blocking our entire Mercato they come swooping with a low ball offer which we'll probably need to accept and all whilst in a worse financial state and no Champions League football.

Unless we great price on Chiesa (why would we) then Guintoli got schooled.
 

Valerio.

Senior Member
Jul 5, 2014
5,746
If this happens then Roma would have totally humiliated us this Mercato.

Taking Soule first on their conditions then with Chisea blocking our entire Mercato they come swooping with a low ball offer which we'll probably need to accept and all whilst in a worse financial state and no Champions League football.

Unless we great price on Chiesa (why would we) then Guintoli got schooled.
I don't understand really.
Let's patch up thing and renew. Why do we have to sell Chiesa? and spend money on Conceiao!??!?
 

Akshen

Senior Member
Aug 27, 2010
10,608
If this happens then Roma would have totally humiliated us this Mercato.

Taking Soule first on their conditions then with Chisea blocking our entire Mercato they come swooping with a low ball offer which we'll probably need to accept and all whilst in a worse financial state and no Champions League football.

Unless we great price on Chiesa (why would we) then Guintoli got schooled.
Schira forgot to mention they were mainly talking about Jeremy Boga and Marc Pubill though, they only iniquired about Chiesa. I was at that meeting.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
chiesa stays for 1 more year

goes on to score 30 goals and assists combined. a world class season really

he asks to renew at new salary of 9m per year

juve asks him to take salary cut so he matches gatti

chiesa leaves and signs for clubs willing to give him 10m per year
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,557
chiesa stays for 1 more year

goes on to score 30 goals and assists combined. a world class season really

he asks to renew at new salary of 9m per year

juve asks him to take salary cut so he matches gatti

chiesa leaves and signs for clubs willing to give him 10m per year
or he already has an agreement with inda
 

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