Alin

FINO ALLA FINE!
Jul 27, 2015
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Hard to imagine us actually letting go of the only non-defender italian international player we have.

On another note, he is an usefull player to have nonetheless. Still relatively young, strong, versatile, handsome( @Lion ) and ofc last but not least, italian.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
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I think he's better as a CAM than winger. Probably even better as a LCM. Possibly better than Rabiot in that position because he will get in the box more and transition quicker.

At this point, his best attribute is running around like a spaz, which is useful for what Sarri wants in the 4-3-1-2, speaking only of the defensive phase.

I think it's a really, really complicated defensive position, the one he's playing now. You can remedy it's complexities by just running as much as possible.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
65,499
I think he's better as a CAM than winger. Probably even better as a LCM. Possibly better than Rabiot in that position because he will get in the box more and transition quicker.

At this point, his best attribute is running around like a spaz, which is useful for what Sarri wants in the 4-3-1-2, speaking only of the defensive phase.

I think it's a really, really complicated defensive position, the one he's playing now. You can remedy it's complexities by just running as much as possible.
What's the 1 in 4-3-1-2's role defensively?
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
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What's the 1 in 4-3-1-2's role defensively?
From what I've seen with Sarri:

First, the defensive shape if we are actually forced into a low block is going to be 4-4-2. So he has to come back beside Pjanic. Now, in matches like against Bologna, it was actually really rare that we even got into that low block as our first action was basically always to press and recover the ball. But in theory, he has to come all the way back into the midfield shape.

In terms of pressing, he is pressing an area which is very hard to press, which is the middle of the field right behind our strikers. There are so many opponents that can drift in and out of that area that it's very difficult to know who to attach yourself to.

Coaches always speak of "lines of play". Well I think sometimes Berna is basically his own line of play. You have the strikers line pressing, then Berna by himself, then the CMs behind. So I think it's difficult because it's not just that he has to move vertically but also laterally, because there are not many teammates in his line of play. For example, in the line of CMs behind him, if an opponent is drifting laterally, they just get passed on among the CMs. But in Berna's line, he has to follow them across the pitch to press successfully.

I think there was a Sarri quote about how Berna arrives in attacking situations without energy. I think this is why.

The absolute pinnacle of this position was Vidal, of course, who arrived in attacking situations and just switched to his 3rd lung.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
65,499
From what I've seen with Sarri:

First, the defensive shape if we are actually forced into a low block is going to be 4-4-2. So he has to come back beside Pjanic. Now, in matches like against Bologna, it was actually really rare that we even got into that low block as our first action was basically always to press and recover the ball. But in theory, he has to come all the way back into the midfield shape.

In terms of pressing, he is pressing an area which is very hard to press, which is the middle of the field right behind our strikers. There are so many opponents that can drift in and out of that area that it's very difficult to know who to attach yourself to.

Coaches always speak of "lines of play". Well I think sometimes Berna is basically his own line of play. You have the strikers line pressing, then Berna by himself, then the CMs behind. So I think it's difficult because it's not just that he has to move vertically but also laterally, because there are not many teammates in his line of play. For example, in the line of CMs behind him, if an opponent is drifting laterally, they just get passed on among the CMs. But in Berna's line, he has to follow them across the pitch to press successfully.

I think there was a Sarri quote about how Berna arrives in attacking situations without energy. I think this is why.

The absolute pinnacle of this position was Vidal, of course, who arrived in attacking situations and just switched to his 3rd lung.
Good post, thanks :tup:
 

juventus4life

Senior Member
Apr 21, 2012
3,951
From what I've seen with Sarri:

First, the defensive shape if we are actually forced into a low block is going to be 4-4-2. So he has to come back beside Pjanic. Now, in matches like against Bologna, it was actually really rare that we even got into that low block as our first action was basically always to press and recover the ball. But in theory, he has to come all the way back into the midfield shape.

In terms of pressing, he is pressing an area which is very hard to press, which is the middle of the field right behind our strikers. There are so many opponents that can drift in and out of that area that it's very difficult to know who to attach yourself to.

Coaches always speak of "lines of play". Well I think sometimes Berna is basically his own line of play. You have the strikers line pressing, then Berna by himself, then the CMs behind. So I think it's difficult because it's not just that he has to move vertically but also laterally, because there are not many teammates in his line of play. For example, in the line of CMs behind him, if an opponent is drifting laterally, they just get passed on among the CMs. But in Berna's line, he has to follow them across the pitch to press successfully.

I think there was a Sarri quote about how Berna arrives in attacking situations without energy. I think this is why.

The absolute pinnacle of this position was Vidal, of course, who arrived in attacking situations and just switched to his 3rd lung.
Speaking of attacking without much energy, a CAM should focus more on assisting the strikers than pressing the opponents because it's not fair to ask a CAM to do both tasks equally good. Yes, a CAM needs to press sometimes when needed but there are other CMs behind him to do that task better.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,459
Speaking of attacking without much energy, a CAM should focus more on assisting the strikers than pressing the opponents because it's not fair to ask a CAM to do both tasks equally good. Yes, a CAM needs to press sometimes when needed but there are other CMs behind him to do that task better.
I'm not going to make excuses for his lack of product in the final 3rd. Even as a winger, doing less running, it was lacking.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,709
Berna needs to step up or sarrisolve this puzzle. He is simply not effective enough as a winger. Needs to be brought to midfield somehow.

Sarri himself said he sees berna as a midfielder.... Then when?
 

Alin

FINO ALLA FINE!
Jul 27, 2015
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Berna needs to step up or sarrisolve this puzzle. He is simply not effective enough as a winger. Needs to be brought to midfield somehow.

Sarri himself said he sees berna as a midfielder.... Then when?
He did mention he sees him as a specialist midfielder to be more specific, so i guess his role as the ‘1’ in the 4-3-1-2 already means Sarri’s been implementing his ideas onto it.
 
Jun 6, 2015
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I think he will be able to concentrate more on the attacking side of things in todays game. Will be interesting to see how he does. I personally still think he has the necessary qualities to become an effective player in an attacking role.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,709
Berna needs to step up or sarrisolve this puzzle. He is simply not effective enough as a winger. Needs to be brought to midfield somehow.

Sarri himself said he sees berna as a midfielder.... Then when?
 

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