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Still one of the most exciting players in our squad IMO. Wasn't given a huge amount of time to make a difference but he added a lot of directness to our attack and won the free kick that led to the winner.
 

Hydde

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We play a lot better and so does Dybala when this guy is on the pitch and firing

He really helps our build up play
the minutes he came in, as rusty as he looked......did like 2 pseudo passes which instantly made us tick into something.

This man is a must in our starting 11
 

MikeM

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Sep 21, 2008
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We desperately need to figure out a way for him to get on the field more. He has that eye in the final 3rd. He has a tiny, tiny touch of Ozil in him when he puts it on the left foot and then slips it into a striker just when you think he's shooting.
 

The Quazis

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Dec 21, 2012
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We desperately need to figure out a way for him to get on the field more. He has that eye in the final 3rd. He has a tiny, tiny touch of Ozil in him when he puts it on the left foot and then slips it into a striker just when you think he's shooting.
MikeM, with all due respect, your dreams of Dybala CF and Berna RCM are very far from the reality.
 

Fr3sh

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Jul 12, 2011
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We desperately need to figure out a way for him to get on the field more. He has that eye in the final 3rd. He has a tiny, tiny touch of Ozil in him when he puts it on the left foot and then slips it into a striker just when you think he's shooting.
Pls don't curse the man by associating him to Ozil, he's more a Guti :tuttosport::tuttosport:
 

MikeM

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Sep 21, 2008
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MikeM, with all due respect, your dreams of Dybala CF and Berna RCM are very far from the reality.
Maybe with Allegri. But lots of coaches would probably try them in those positions. Allegri's paper even stipulates he prefers a 4-3-3 with #10 at RCM. Lots of coaches like the #10 at RCM. Guardiola is one. Hamsik plays LCM at Napoli.

There are tons of tons of lighter CMs than Bernardeschi, who spent time playing LWB of all places. Napoli alone has Hamsik, Zielinski, Rog, who are not exactly bulldozers.

Dybala is clearly a striker who thinks first, second and third about shooting on goal. That's a #9 in my books. How far is he away from Aguero, David Villa, Griezmann, Lacazette, Gameiro etc who are all short strikers who have spent time playing alone up top.

Was Mertens a CF until he became one out of nowhere?
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
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Maybe with Allegri. But lots of coaches would probably try them in those positions. Allegri's paper even stipulates he prefers a 4-3-3 with #10 at RCM. Lots of coaches like the #10 at RCM. Guardiola is one. Hamsik plays LCM at Napoli.

There are tons of tons of lighter CMs than Bernardeschi, who spent time playing LWB of all places. Napoli alone has Hamsik, Zielinski, Rog, who are not exactly bulldozers.

Dybala is clearly a striker who thinks first, second and third about shooting on goal. That's a #9 in my books. How far is he away from Aguero, David Villa, Griezmann, Lacazette, Gameiro etc who are all short strikers who have spent time playing alone up top.

Was Mertens a CF until he became one out of nowhere?
Bolded. Yup.
 

The Quazis

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Maybe with Allegri. But lots of coaches would probably try them in those positions. Allegri's paper even stipulates he prefers a 4-3-3 with #10 at RCM. Lots of coaches like the #10 at RCM. Guardiola is one. Hamsik plays LCM at Napoli.

There are tons of tons of lighter CMs than Bernardeschi, who spent time playing LWB of all places. Napoli alone has Hamsik, Zielinski, Rog, who are not exactly bulldozers.

Dybala is clearly a striker who thinks first, second and third about shooting on goal. That's a #9 in my books. How far is he away from Aguero, David Villa, Griezmann, Lacazette, Gameiro etc who are all short strikers who have spent time playing alone up top.

Was Mertens a CF until he became one out of nowhere?
So Allegri even wrote thesis about it yet he has never played Berna there. I don't believe Napoli is a good example. It's been shown multiple times this season that they can be easily shut down with their style if everything is not going their way. Playing physically inferior players in the middle and upfront plays huge part of it.

Lacazette and Gameiro are not top players so I won't even count them. Griezmann has always had a stronger player next to him in Costa and Torres. Aguero is a much stronger player than Dybala, not to mention he can head the ball and score with both feet. Villa played striker for Valencia, a team that so much inferior to today's Juve and they had no alternative to Villa. If I'm not mistaken he played LWF after moving to Barcelona. If you are going to mention his spell in Spanish NT then I have to say it's a totally different team than Juve. They had prime Iniesta and Xavi to combine with him. Not to mention they've been playing Torres a lot whereas you'd rather sell Higuain so we would not have an alternative.

To sum up, I see no coach who rather play Dybala upfront than Higuain. We have a super striker in our squad and you want to leave him out which is irrational. Dybala will never be a top striker because he lacks strength, acceleration, ability to score with both feet and head. However, he does have a good shot outside the box, good vision, cross making him a much better fit for SS. Not to mention that I disagree with you regarding Dybala - Higuain inability to coexist. They still need to work on it but games like against Tottenham or Milan give hope.

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Bianconero81

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So Allegri even wrote thesis about it yet he has never played Berna there. I don't believe Napoli is a good example. It's been shown multiple times this season that they can be easily shut down with their style if everything is not going their way. Playing physically inferior players in the middle and upfront plays huge part of it.

Lacazette and Gameiro are not top players so I won't even count them. Griezmann has always had a stronger player next to him in Costa and Torres. Aguero is a much stronger player than Dybala, not to mention he can head the ball and score with both feet. Villa played striker for Valencia, a team that so much inferior to today's Juve and they had no alternative to Villa. If I'm not mistaken he played LWF after moving to Barcelona. If you are going to mention his spell in Spanish NT then I have to say it's a totally different team than Juve. They had prime Iniesta and Xavi to combine with him. Not to mention they've been playing Torres a lot whereas you'd rather sell Higuain so we would not have an alternative.

To sum up, I see no coach who rather play Dybala upfront than Higuain. We have a super striker in our squad and you want to leave him out which is irrational. Dybala will never be a top striker because he lacks strength, acceleration, ability to score with both feet and head. However, he does have a good shot outside the box, good vision, cross making him a much better fit for SS. Not to mention that I disagree with you regarding Dybala - Higuain inability to coexist. They still need to work on it but games like against Tottenham or Milan give hope.

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Higuain is not a super striker. He's not at the same level as a Vieri or Batistuta for example; those are super strikers. Higuain is very good, on his day, but he lacks acceleration and isn't great at heading the ball, the last game with Inter notwithstanding. Also, Higuain strikes me as the type of player who will only decline as he gets older.
 

The Quazis

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Higuain is not a super striker. He's not at the same level as a Vieri or Batistuta for example; those are super strikers. Higuain is very good, on his day, but he lacks acceleration and isn't great at heading the ball, the last game with Inter notwithstanding. Also, Higuain strikes me as the type of player who will only decline as he gets older.
He's not better than them basing on what? If I'm not mistaken the record of the most goals scored is under his belt, not Batigol or Vieri. And please don't tell me Serie A was stronger back then when you had capocannoniere in Dario Hubner playing for Perugia or something like that. Lacks acceleration? You do realize your examples of super strikers are Batistuta and Vieri right? He's not super tall but his heading skills are very good. I don't recall any situation in which he totally fucked a header. He could have hit the ball close to a goalie or something once in a while but it also happened to Mario Jardel. Going by your logic Ibrahimovic is an amateur as he had neither acceleration nor good heading skills for his height. You just want him to be Cristiano meaning to have it all but it is not possible.

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Bianconero81

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He's not better than them basing on what? If I'm not mistaken the record of the most goals scored is under his belt, not Batigol or Vieri. And please don't tell me Serie A was stronger back then when you had capocannoniere in Dario Hubner playing for Perugia or something like that. Lacks acceleration? You do realize your examples of super strikers are Batistuta and Vieri right? He's not super tall but his heading skills are very good. I don't recall any situation in which he totally fucked a header. He could have hit the ball close to a goalie or something once in a while but it also happened to Mario Jardel. Going by your logic Ibrahimovic is an amateur as he had neither acceleration nor good heading skills for his height. You just want him to be Cristiano meaning to have it all but it is not possible.

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Intangibles man. Higuain is just not a killer; he lacks that killer instinct in my book. Ibra is a beast and I consider him a super striker for example. Lewa is closer to a super striker than Higuain is. You can even make a case for Cavani over Higuain as well. Inzaghi was lethal, but I never considered him super. I was glad we got rid of him tbh.

Higuain isn't a great header of the ball; he also misses his fair few of easy chances. Serie A was definitely better back then; it's not even fair to compare Serie A in the late 80s until the early part of the century to what the league is now.
 

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