Farsopoli(Calciopoli) (44 Viewers)

[Tifoso]

In an interview, Juve's lawyer states that the chances of Juve going to TAR are "99%"

I can not believe that TAR wouldn't reverse the previous decisions, as

1. The evidence is based on "conjecture"
2. The punishments were not equal

I think the largest, most glaring mistake made by Rossi&Co. was the taking of lo scudetto of 2005/6....there is absolutely NO legal basis for doing so. Since TAR is an all or nothing process, I believe that the 2005/6 punishment alone would be enough for TAR to revoke the penalties, and send it back.

At that point Rossi&Co (or equivalent) will be forced to choose between:

1. Letting the whole matter go (doubtful, as it would make them all look like complete idiots) or

2. Juve in A, minus 10-15, and with lo scudetto of 2005/6 back....the one of 2004/5 left blank.

I would imagine that Juve would accept 2.

 

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[serfaraaz]

In an interview, Juve's lawyer states that the chances of Juve going to TAR are "99%"

I can not believe that TAR wouldn't reverse the previous decisions, as

1. The evidence is based on "conjecture"
2. The punishments were not equal

I think the largest, most glaring mistake made by Rossi&Co. was the taking of lo scudetto of 2005/6....there is absolutely NO legal basis for doing so. Since TAR is an all or nothing process, I believe that the 2005/6 punishment alone would be enough for TAR to revoke the penalties, and send it back.

At that point Rossi&Co (or equivalent) will be forced to choose between:

1. Letting the whole matter go (doubtful, as it would make them all look like complete idiots) or

2. Juve in A, minus 10-15, and with lo scudetto of 2005/6 back....the one of 2004/5 left blank.

I would imagine that Juve would accept 2.

i dont think anything is going to happen because the entire judicial system is corrupted

 

[V]

i think we should just let it be, keep our heads up high, roam through the serie b and next year give the serie a a good old ass whooping.

 

[pavelnedved]

i dont think anything is going to happen because the entire judicial system is corrupted

That's right man. We won't get shit out of this.

 

[PhRoZeN]

After friday's result I couldnt agree any less. I mean who are we kidding? we are dealing with the real mafioso here. They fcuked us, and we are proberly making a fool of ourselfs..hope has now dissapeared.

 

[sateeh]

In an interview, Juve's lawyer states that the chances of Juve going to TAR are "99%"

I can not believe that TAR wouldn't reverse the previous decisions, as

1. The evidence is based on "conjecture"
2. The punishments were not equal

I think the largest, most glaring mistake made by Rossi&Co. was the taking of lo scudetto of 2005/6....there is absolutely NO legal basis for doing so. Since TAR is an all or nothing process, I believe that the 2005/6 punishment alone would be enough for TAR to revoke the penalties, and send it back.

At that point Rossi&Co (or equivalent) will be forced to choose between:

1. Letting the whole matter go (doubtful, as it would make them all look like complete idiots) or

2. Juve in A, minus 10-15, and with lo scudetto of 2005/6 back....the one of 2004/5 left blank.

I would imagine that Juve would accept 2.

thanx tifoso for the explanation and do u think that rossi's hand could reach the TAR? or is it Rossi&co clean?

Am a bit pessimistic abt serie A to be honest.I dont think we would get anything reversed. Its like everything is going wrong and it will stay that way.
Mybe we could get the points penalty reduced, that would be the least we could get if this thing was fair but it isnt .

 

[Vinman]

i think we should just let it be, keep our heads up high, roam through the serie b and next year give the serie a a good old ass whooping.

thats the WORST thing we could do...

are we going let Rossi and his leftest mafia screw us like this, or are we going to fight to the end, and let everyone know that Juve wont be thrown under the bus ??

I dont care if it delays Serie A until February....I'll survive watching the EPL, and so will everyone else here !!

 

[isha00]

Tar (and the other ordinary courts) can't reduce the points penalization. They just judge if the sportive verdict is legitimate or not, basing themselves on whether laws and procedures ahve been followed, if the defence has been given the possibility to defend themselves, if the documents used were legal, if the punishment was equal and so on.
If they decided in our favour, Figc, to punish us again, would have to start the trials from the beginning. How much did it take to get to the first verdict? At least a couple of weeks, if I remember well. At that point the clubs could appeal to Caf, then to Coni, then to Tar again, then, if it'll be the case, to the Consiglio di Stato and then to the European court. If Figc decided to start again, the championships will be postponed.

It's quickly becoming a big, big, mess.

Also because Rossi has done everything in his power not to let the clubs appeal to Tar in time to have a verdict before the start of the championships. Today there was an interview to De Lise (Lazio's Tar president), who said that if the championships will start before their verdicts, it'll be Rossi's problem to solve. He seemed quite irritated with Moratti's buddy (Rossi :wink: ), because he (De Lise) has done what he could to have an early august Tar appeal, suggesting many dates, but Rossi just ignored him and the problem.
It's not like this means much for our fate, but it shows another aspect of our dear FIGC president.

 

[isha00]

94 million euros for serieb

I said I think, 'cause I believe I would have read if they had started to renegotiating or were about to. So, what I know is that no one has started to renegotiate anything yet and september is coming..
To tell the truth they are still fighting themselves for the Serie B rights, cause some are Sportitalia's, some are Sky's and some are Rai's..

 

[Tifoso]

thats the WORST thing we could do...

are we going left Rossi and his leftest mafia screw us like this, or are we going to fight to the end, and let everyone know that Juve wont be thrown under the bus ??

I dont care if it delays Serie A until February....I'll survive watching the EPL, and so will everyone else here !!

Ex-friggin-zactly.

You, sir, have a drink paid by me when we meet.

 

[Tifoso]

Also because Rossi has done everything in his power not to let the clubs appeal to Tar in time to have a verdict before the start of the championships. Today there was an interview to De Lise (Lazio's Tar president), who said that if the championships will start before their verdicts, it'll be Rossi's problem to solve. He seemed quite irritated with Moratti's buddy (Rossi :wink: ), because he (De Lise) has done what he could to have an early august Tar appeal,

What wonderful news

De Lise being p'd with Rossi is such a good thing (for us).

Thanks for the info, amica mia.

Again, if TAR throw this back, no way Rossi&Co risk being embarrassed by their legal peers---again.

There will be major compromise. A and 2005-6 without question. Possibly 2004-5 as well. The threat of a huge lawsuit for damages will be a sword hanging over Rossi's head....as will a fresh appeal to TAR

 

[isha00]

There will be major compromise. A and 2005-6 without question. Possibly 2004-5 as well. The threat of a huge lawsuit for damages will be a sword hanging over Rossi's head....as will a fresh appeal to TAR

This is the point: we'll be able to compromise punishments only in a sportive trial. With Tar the sportive verdict is either legitimate or illegitimate.
So, if we win, all the verdicts we've seen will be cancelled and everything will return as it was before the first verdict.
At that point they'll have to start the sportive trials again to get a compromise and in this case Serie A&B will surely be postponed.
In the end, always if we won, the choice will be between making a fool of themselves by letting it all go or blocking the championship for the time being (No calcio=no money).

Anyway, since you speak Italian, this is a link to the De Lise's interview.

 

[Paolo Sosa]

wow thats look sweet

i think the main mistake that we made was that we didn't have a strong case at the begining we just accepted everything but now we seem to be back in control

 

[Tifoso]

This is the point: we'll be able to compromise punishments only in a sportive trial. With Tar the sportive verdict is either legitimate or illegitimate.
So, if we win, all the verdicts we've seen will be cancelled and everything will return as it was before the first verdict.
At that point they'll have to start the sportive trials again to get a compromise and in this case Serie A&B will surely be postponed.
In the end, always if we won, the choice will be between making a fool of themselves by letting it all go or blocking the championship for the time being (No calcio=no money).

Anyway, since you speak Italian, this is a link to the De Lise's interview.

Thanks, amica mia.

Yeah, it will be the choice of the lesser of 2 evils for them...

I would imagine that they might actually choose option 1 (letting it go)--or risk being crucified in the media as "those who so stubbornly stuck to their guns" that they delayed the kick off of the season only to make what is a very dubious point in the first place.

So it comes down to TAR....and again, based on their removing the scudetto of 2005/6 alone--how could they do anything but void the sentences and throw them back?

A normal judge would probably let it go at that point---but Rossi is a p**ck....say 60% chance he goes through with a re-trial.

Regardless, at this point, if TAR is truly just, we are in control.

 

[serfaraaz]

Thanks, amica mia.

Yeah, it will be the choice of the lesser of 2 evils for them...

I would imagine that they might actually choose option 1 (letting it go)--or risk being crucified in the media as "those who so stubbornly stuck to their guns" that they delayed the kick off of the season only to make what is a very dubious point in the first place.

So it comes down to TAR....and again, based on their removing the scudetto of 2005/6 alone--how could they do anything but void the sentences and throw them back?

A normal judge would probably let it go at that point---but Rossi is a p**ck....say 60% chance he goes through with a re-trial.

Regardless, at this point, if TAR is truly just, we are in control.

tifoso lou u very confident from start of the calciopoli trial give me one reason that the judge will give us justice

 

[serfaraaz]

isha00 if we appeal in tar we will not be allowed to play in ucl

 

[isha00]

i think the main mistake that we made was that we didn't have a strong case at the begining we just accepted everything but now we seem to be back in control

Yeah, that was a big mistake and now the pressure on the courts is getting higher.

I'm just worried about this:
Tar hearings will begin on Aug 26th (Moggi's and Giraudo's ones, for example). After the 26th, the next date is on Sept 6th. The championships (would) begin on the 9th. If Tar doesn't suspend them (they have the power to do so), we might get our sentence after having played at least one match in B, if Rossi won't decide otherwise. But will he? After all, this is why he worked so hard to have the Tar appeals this late.

Big, big, big, mess.

 

[isha00]

isha00 if we appeal in tar we will not be allowed to play in ucl

It's just a possibility, but if we won't it'll take us at least 2-3 years to qualify.
The sweet thing is that it wouldn't be just us excluded, but the whole Figc (all the clubs + the NTs <--- from any European tournament: Uefa, CL, EC and Intertoto).

 

[serfaraaz]

It's just a possibility, but if we won't it'll take us at least 2-3 years to qualify.
The sweet thing is that it wouldn't be just us excluded, but the whole Figc (all the clubs + the NTs <--- from any European tournament: Uefa, CL, EC and Intertoto).

but figc can prevent a club for appealing to the tar and i have heard that mutiple european bans for club that appeals to tar

 

[serfaraaz]

It's just a possibility, but if we won't it'll take us at least 2-3 years to qualify.
The sweet thing is that it wouldn't be just us excluded, but the whole Figc (all the clubs + the NTs <--- from any European tournament: Uefa, CL, EC and Intertoto).

i dont think it will happen and u r judicial system is corrupted i dont think for one club all other clubs will made to suffer the judge will be bribed once again