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sateeh

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Jul 28, 2003
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thnx for posting that Mark, althogh it just hurts some more. :(

At least it shows that our club is facing up against everyone and its not just in our heads or we r just trying to blame everyone else for our board's mistake.

But how come these ppl have no shame at all, doing their dirty business so blatanly like that.

I heard the commentator from the Inter-Totenham the other saying "its just a loss that juve r not playing CL football this season or mybe longer, which is a loss for us fans not anyone else"---it just broke my heart, but Inter lost so it made me feel better :D
 

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mnementh

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Jun 5, 2005
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there was a time I supported Milan in europe and wanted them to succeed... because they're an italian club i always supported italian sides. But now I hate milan more than possibly imagined. Someone will kick them from the tournament pretty quickly.... I think UEFA will be against them too now ;) Fuk them that team is just disgusting. i hope they die in a plane crash.
 
Aug 1, 2006
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Though i'm a Partizan fan, i hope Red Star will kick them out in the 3rd faze of CL qualifiers, as unlikely as it seems, there is a chance! Return match is in Belgrade, where will be an awesome atmosphere, and if Red Star does well in first match at San Siro, they might make a big surprise, i hope Milan underestimates them...
 

ReBeL

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Jan 14, 2005
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Juventus shareholders launching appeal



A group of 20 Juventus shareholders are to launch their own appeal against the decision to relegate their team to the second division of Italian football.

While the club officially lodged an appeal with the Italian Olympic Committee (CONI) on Tuesday, the group of shareholders, backed by 200 fans, will go one step further.

They will take their complaint to the Lazio Regional Administrative Tribunal (TAR), hoping the judgement delivered by the Federal Court last week can be blocked until the full case can be heard in a non-sporting court of law.

Until now, the Italian Football Association (FIGC) have kept the scandal in house, using their own legislation to punish the clubs and persons involved in the match-fixing scandal.

However, the club, two former Juve officials - Antonio Giraudo and Luciano Moggi - and former AC Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani have all decided to take the case outside of FIGC jurisdiction by lodging appeals with the CONI.

The TAR would constitute the next step, should they not be satisfied with the action CONI decides to take after listening to their appeals and considering the cases after August 10.

CONI's verdict will be given on August 25 at the latest, which has meant the start of the new season in Italy's top two divisions has already been put back by a fortnight.

Series A and B had been scheduled to kick off on August 27, but they will now get underway on September 9-10.

RTE.ie
 

Badass J Elkann

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Feb 12, 2006
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DeadCode said:
Though i'm a Partizan fan, i hope Red Star will kick them out in the 3rd faze of CL qualifiers, as unlikely as it seems, there is a chance! Return match is in Belgrade, where will be an awesome atmosphere, and if Red Star does well in first match at San Siro, they might make a big surprise, i hope Milan underestimates them...

i hope that red star, a forgotten european giant, will give those swines a butt kicking to remember.
 

Paolo Sosa

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Nov 11, 2005
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ReBeL said:
Juventus shareholders launching appeal



A group of 20 Juventus shareholders are to launch their own appeal against the decision to relegate their team to the second division of Italian football.

While the club officially lodged an appeal with the Italian Olympic Committee (CONI) on Tuesday, the group of shareholders, backed by 200 fans, will go one step further.

They will take their complaint to the Lazio Regional Administrative Tribunal (TAR), hoping the judgement delivered by the Federal Court last week can be blocked until the full case can be heard in a non-sporting court of law.

Until now, the Italian Football Association (FIGC) have kept the scandal in house, using their own legislation to punish the clubs and persons involved in the match-fixing scandal.

However, the club, two former Juve officials - Antonio Giraudo and Luciano Moggi - and former AC Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani have all decided to take the case outside of FIGC jurisdiction by lodging appeals with the CONI.

The TAR would constitute the next step, should they not be satisfied with the action CONI decides to take after listening to their appeals and considering the cases after August 10.

CONI's verdict will be given on August 25 at the latest, which has meant the start of the new season in Italy's top two divisions has already been put back by a fortnight.

Series A and B had been scheduled to kick off on August 27, but they will now get underway on September 9-10.

RTE.ie
ok that's what i call a great news :agree:
 

Jun-hide

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Dec 16, 2002
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Just as I thought. It was matter of time that shareholders brought this case to civil court and IMO rightly so.
As I have mentioned numerous times, if the issue was simply confined to match-fixing(?) scandal it would be difficult to argue against the relegation penalty received by Juve since it is difficult to establish how Moggi and co. responsible for the whole facade would benefit from it. And moreover, it is a blatan sporting fraud.
However, I have written many times before it is just simply ludicrous to look at match-fixing in isolation and ignore how Juve was run over in general.
It dodges the issue as to why Moggi run the so called Moggi-system, (for which I have very little doubt he did despite lack of vital evidence for actual match fixing).
To give an analogy, it is equivalent to reading "You are stupid", without actually looking into the context as to how the phrase fits in.
My argument is that Moggi ran that system to produce abnormal return with minimum cost and as much as it benefited the shareholders, Moggi himself was also able to make handsome profit.
He and Giraudo was given an free-reign regarding how to run the club, precisely because they were able to produce superior performances compared to competitors. And as we all know, Moggi & Giraudo had a habit of making some dubious signing (not to mention some good ones but that is beside the issue) such as Baiocco, where we suspect that their sons made some nice money through transfers.
In this respect, one can argue that the whole match fixing scandal was in operation to benefit Moggi as much as it benefited Juve.
Moreover, if shareholders and fans could not possible for see such operation beforehand, which in most cases of corporate governance true, then the actions of management team is beyond the responsibilities of the former group and should not be punished for it than necessary.
In addition, the if the court really wants to clean up and create an incentive for not to cheat in the future, which should be ultimate aim, then it is only right those who actually carried out the crime should bear the penalty.
For this reason I argued that the sporting tribunal had no right to decide on a sentence that affected the value of the corporation, and the correct verdict should be decided on the civil court whereby Juve should be given some financial punishment alongside management being jailed for their crimes.

In this respect, I sincerely hope not that we launch the appeal alongside Giraudo and Moggi, because these guys should be punished in jail whatever the outcome.
I understand that it is hard for the new management board to take them to the court so I think a good solution would be that a group of small share-holders should do so in their interests.
Instead of trying to overcome the initial verdict, I think a good strategy would be one where shareholders sue for the financial damage caused by the unfair verdict given by the sporting tribunal court.
I need a help on this one, because I am not sure whether you can take the sporting tribunal court to the civil one for the apparent unfairness, but if it is possible we have nothing to loose.
I know it would be difficult to prove that the whole trial operate specifically to penalize Juve, but we are going to put the ball in their court and make them come with a rationale behind the verdict.
And given that verdict was given in an rather ad hoc and unfair way, I think Juve has a great chance of acutally winning some sympathy and clearing our names.
The issue is as much as we are going to get some compensation, I feel such trial will act as a good PR stunt, and might encourage fans to be more supportive of club, which equals, as you guessed it, more money.:D :D .
Beside, I think a season in Serie B is not as bad as it first seemed. Firstly, there seems to be a new found special bond between the club and fans which have gone missing in past year. I believe with good marketing strategy Juve can bring fans back to stadium and exploit further revenues of growth. We can get rid of vastly overrated and overpaid duds like (Zlatan, Viera, Zebina, Mutu et al) and groom some youngsters who I believe have real potential to become worldbeaters (Bojinov & Palladino). Beside, as much as it is hard to admit it, I was becoming disconnected with the Capello's team and the brand of football the players produced. I was beginning loose the passion for the team.
I think Didier Deschamp has different philosophy to Don Fabio where he values technical ability more than physical strenghts, and hopefully Juventus can be re-juvenated with attacking free flowing football.
After all, I can almost smell the kind of players we will be associated with once we get promoted back. Robinho, Messi, Macherano, Torres, Ribery, Gonzalo, Yaya Toure et al. It will take time to build a real team, but the future sounds intersting.
 

Mark

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Dec 19, 2003
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Did you guys know that it could be possible we don't appeal to the TAR del Lazio(accepting only the next verdict) being afraid we could get suspended for years in Europe? UEFA don't accept these vedicts and our management is afraid of that.

I say if we don't get serie A with the CONI appeal we should still go to the TAR and take a chance. I mean, with what happened today(Milan in CL) I don't think UEFA as the balls to take us out of Europe for years.
 

pavelnedved

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Jul 15, 2006
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mark77 said:
Did you guys know that it could be possible we don't appeal to the TAR del Lazio(accepting only the next verdict) being afraid we could get suspended for years in Europe? UEFA don't accept these vedicts and our management is afraid of that.

I say if we don't get serie A with the CONI appeal we should still go to the TAR and take a chance. I mean, with what happened today(Milan in CL) I don't think UEFA as the balls to take us out of Europe for years.
And what do you want to achieve with that ? Does it matter if we start with -17, -7 or 0 points ? We'll go up anyway. The'll never allow us in A or it will be with -30 or -40. That's risky business.

I shouldn't take that risk at all. I don't see what we still have to gain ...
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
69,025
mark77 said:
Did you guys know that it could be possible we don't appeal to the TAR del Lazio(accepting only the next verdict) being afraid we could get suspended for years in Europe? UEFA don't accept these vedicts and our management is afraid of that.

I say if we don't get serie A with the CONI appeal we should still go to the TAR and take a chance. I mean, with what happened today(Milan in CL) I don't think UEFA as the balls to take us out of Europe for years.
well they banned english clubs in participating in european competitions for a while, but then again, milan have money to bribe uefa, it all came from the sheva deal, i recon they have around 10 mill left on a striker now, on top of european comp money, which shud make up most of the money spent on bribery, biased judges and lawyers.
 
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