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Espectro

The Grimreaper
Jul 12, 2002
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Ok, here are some more tougths about this:

Lets consider this for a moment:

In both sentences Juventus have been the heviest penalice team, lets just imagine that we do get this sentence appeal, the new one will also get us more penalice than the other teams, that means that even if we should get to stay in Serie A, we could be penalize with more than 30 points less... wich means that we could get demoted in the next year...

Somehow, I think we shoudl consider this new appeal.
 

Hennes

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Sep 3, 2004
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PhRoZeN said:
By the sound of things, Gigli just said Canavaro and not emerson. Maybe there were a few thing to finalise or its just Gigli's way to take out his frustation.. I guess time will tell.
I've seen an interview on RaiUno and there he said that the negociations with Real on Canna and Emerson are in an advanced stage (so: not official but sure, I suppose)...
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
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Katil said:
I'm not saying we shouldn't. Of course we should take it as far as possible.

What I am stating is that this verdict is better then what any juventino should have hoped for, being the symbol for the whole scandal and all. For Juventus the chances just got better, but you chose to look at other teams and get angry instead.
I think the whole club has seen it as a bad judgement as a whole, they themselves the owners of teh club as well as former players have said its a bad decision. Itw ill only go down nicely if we all stay united by teh decison that yes this was bad and there is nothing more but to take it further. As for the issue that we were more involved, well there isnt much proove of that, we only 'fixed two matches' considering lazio had 'fixed' 5. And as for the scapegoat mentality well IMO that just sux, if we are the scapegoats then we should fight to relieve ourselves of it its quite as simple as that.
 

peckface

approaching curve
Oct 3, 2004
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pavelnedved said:
the media made us the symbol, but you shouldn't always believe that. I'm sure we're the most guilty one, but right now they're only sanctioning one team. Our sanction is out of proportion, compared to the others.
It doesn't matter what I believe or not. The media has made us scapegoats and people are expecting us to take a hit for Italian football.

And yes 'compared to others'. We can try to work that card but I'm sure they knew what reactions their verdict would set off. But yeah lets try EU court, perhaps they see it as a mistake.
 

mnementh

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Jun 5, 2005
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both titles were revoked, no club gets them.... and by the look of it, Juve is pissed about it, so maybe there's a chance to get back the last in a future appeal. From what i understand, if we do get it back, juve will play in europe ;) but not chance for that...
 

Dominic

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Jan 30, 2004
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Espectro said:
Ok, here are some more tougths about this:

Lets consider this for a moment:

In both sentences Juventus have been the heviest penalice team, lets just imagine that we do get this sentence appeal, the new one will also get us more penalice than the other teams, that means that even if we should get to stay in Serie A, we could be penalize with more than 30 points less... wich means that we could get demoted in the next year...

Somehow, I think we shoudl consider this new appeal.
You got a point there. Would you rather go for winning promotion in Serie B or would you rather be fighting against relegation in Serie A ?
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
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Hennes said:
I've seen an interview on RaiUno and there he said that the negociations with Real on Canna and Emerson are in an advanced stage (so: not official but sure, I suppose)...
Hmm conflicting reports? or did everblue miss this bit out?. Anyway I take your word and so I suppose you may be right regarding them being not that stupid, i fink.
 

pavelnedved

official nedved copy
Jul 15, 2006
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Espectro said:
Ok, here are some more tougths about this:

Lets consider this for a moment:

In both sentences Juventus have been the heviest penalice team, lets just imagine that we do get this sentence appeal, the new one will also get us more penalice than the other teams, that means that even if we should get to stay in Serie A, we could be penalize with more than 30 points less... wich means that we could get demoted in the next year...

Somehow, I think we shoudl consider this new appeal.
Only reasonable thing we can achieve is to get our latest scudetto back.

Like I said before, what does it matter if we start on 0 or -17? We will go up anyway (I guess).
 

Batigol

Senior Member
Mar 5, 2006
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this is not fair, it should have been -30 in seria A.
now most players will go out, even if the civil court will reinstate us, the damage will be done.
the players are out.

screw calciopoli
 

mondo1

Senior Member
May 14, 2006
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ah ok i'm sorry
i thought one was given to milan ok i'm sorry.
but i still dont know why they taken the 05/06 away from us. i think there is no real reason for that
 

Mark

The Informer
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Dec 19, 2003
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“There is absolutely no way we can accept this sentence”

President Giovanni Cobolli Gigli comments on the decision of the Corte Federale to condemn Juventus to Serie B with a 17 point penalty: “There is absolutely no way we can accept this sentence. Taking into consideration the facts which have so far been brought to light, the sentence cannot be deemed a balanced one. Furthermore, I find the differential judicial treatment afforded to the other clubs most serious and completely unjustified. The ramifications for Juventus are extremely serious: the 2004/2005 scudetto has been revoked and, despite having nothing to do with the inquest, so has that of 2005/2006; we are also unable to participate in any international competitions. Above all, a punishment has been inflicted on us which will seriously jeopardise next season. Since the recordings of the first phone calls were released, the club has pursued one sole objective: to exercise clarity and it has done so without hesitation. For these reasons, we have decided to continue with our case and appeal to every possible body. I can confirm that we will not stop until justice is done, in the interests of our extraordinary fans, our share-holders, the club, and, of course, the football league.
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
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Dominic said:
You got a point there. Would you rather go for winning promotion in Serie B or would you rather be fighting against relegation in Serie A ?
I think all Juve will ask for is No points in Serie B with a league or two reinstated. They were satisfied with that beforehand, im sure they would be now too.
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
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mark77 said:
“There is absolutely no way we can accept this sentence”

President Giovanni Cobolli Gigli comments on the decision of the Corte Federale to condemn Juventus to Serie B with a 17 point penalty: “There is absolutely no way we can accept this sentence. Taking into consideration the facts which have so far been brought to light, the sentence cannot be deemed a balanced one. Furthermore, I find the differential judicial treatment afforded to the other clubs most serious and completely unjustified. The ramifications for Juventus are extremely serious: the 2004/2005 scudetto has been revoked and, despite having nothing to do with the inquest, so has that of 2005/2006; we are also unable to participate in any international competitions. Above all, a punishment has been inflicted on us which will seriously jeopardise next season. Since the recordings of the first phone calls were released, the club has pursued one sole objective: to exercise clarity and it has done so without hesitation. For these reasons, we have decided to continue with our case and appeal to every possible body. I can confirm that we will not stop until justice is done, in the interests of our extraordinary fans, our share-holders, the club, and, of course, the football league.
+rep to gigli, but as he aint here ill just give it to mark instead :D.

Some interesting points, expecially the fact that he has mentioned the two titles which I suppose should be the ideal basis surrounding our appeal.
 
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