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DAiDEViL

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2015
62,568
Firing/hiring coaches is not Tici's responsibility, it's Agnelli. Remember when Paratici said "Firing Allegri was the hardest thing I had to do in this decade"? Yeah, me neither, because Agnelli said it. Paratici surely puts his opinion in the mix, but the decisions are made above him, pointless to blame him for them.

Paratici had a very good summer 2020, offloaded most of the deadweight, bought guys that can play, will have resale value in a year or three and actually spent money on midfield for a change. Summer 2019 was a mixed bag, but I'm excited to see what we have planned for 2021, if it's as good as last summer, we're one Massimiliano Allegri away from being a powerhouse.
You sure are way more positive than I am.
 

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DS8_Montero

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2018
985
CR7's arrival is a good catalyst to figure out of whether the manager such as Paratici or Marotta is up to the task of taking the club to the whole new level.

If you can use CR7 as an asset to build a formidable super-power where CR7 is the shining diamond on its crown, then you're in the right place at the right time. But if CR7 is a liability for you, then the door is right there.

Apparently, if Beppe was indeed against CR7's signing because such a move would hinder his strategy for years to come, it was the right thing to do to let him go if the management had a better replacement in mind. But parting ways with Marotta just to give a helm to Paratici was a very questionable move, to put it mildly, if this "new" guy didn't have convincing answers to all the questions that bothered Beppe.

If having CR7 on a balance means that the new manager will focus on haphazard deals to simply balance the books, then bringing CR7 was just a waste of everyone's time, especially CR7's.

If Paratici is not very good at managing such a club but at the same time is doing a great job in terms of accounting and bookkeeping, he should probably just go to work in a bank. I believe, his new old chain-smoking friend will write him a great recommendation to his former employer.
 

Strickland

Senior Member
May 17, 2019
5,615
CR7's arrival is a good catalyst to figure out of whether the manager such as Paratici or Marotta is up to the task of taking the club to the whole new level.

If you can use CR7 as an asset to build a formidable super-power where CR7 is the shining diamond on its crown, then you're in the right place at the right time. But if CR7 is a liability for you, then the door is right there.

Apparently, if Beppe was indeed against CR7's signing because such a move would hinder his strategy for years to come, it was the right thing to do to let him go if the management had a better replacement in mind. But parting ways with Marotta just to give a helm to Paratici was a very questionable move, to put it mildly, if this "new" guy didn't have convincing answers to all the questions that bothered Beppe.

If having CR7 on a balance means that the new manager will focus on haphazard deals to simply balance the books, then bringing CR7 was just a waste of everyone's time, especially CR7's.

If Paratici is not very good at managing such a club but at the same time is doing a great job in terms of accounting and bookkeeping, he should probably just go to work in a bank. I believe, his new old chain-smoking friend will write him a great recommendation to his former employer.
You either have CR7 or you have the funds to build a formidable super-power, can't have both, Ronaldo costs us close to 100m a year. Sure, you might strike gold for pennies like Beppe did in Conte era, but that doesn't happen that often, not even for Beppe lately.
 

DS8_Montero

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2018
985
You either have CR7 or you have the funds to build a formidable super-power, can't have both. Sure, you might strike gold for pennies like Beppe did in Conte era, but that doesn't happen that often, not even for Beppe lately.
I would agree with this point if Juventus weren't spending loads of money after CR7's arrival. Money was not a main problem. The main problem lies in how they were spent.
 

Strickland

Senior Member
May 17, 2019
5,615
I would agree with this point if Juventus weren't spending loads of money after CR7's arrival. Money was not a main problem. The main problem lies in how they were spent.
Besides CR, summer of 2018 the rest of the transfer budget was 50m + sales. Summer 2019 and 2020 we had like 20m + sales in both (according to transfermarkt). That may or may not be loads, but that's definitely not super-power building budget.
 

DS8_Montero

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2018
985
Besides CR, summer of 2018 the rest of the transfer budget was 50m + sales. Summer 2019 and 2020 we had like 20m + sales in both. That may or may not be loads, but that's definitely not super-power building budget.
For a club with such a bloated roster, in capable hands sales can be the main source of short-term financial leverage to transform quantity into concentrated quality. Bringing CR7 apparently was mainly a key part of a big and ambitious short-term strategy, which, if backed with stellar results right here and right now (i.e. CL triumph, treble, etc.), would have led to the long-term sustainable strategy on a new level. But the first task was definitely a short-term one.

If you made the first step, make the following steps as well, otherwise all of it makes no sense. Sell effectively, find additional outside financing, etc. Complete the picture you started drawing when the signatures on CR7's contract were put. Or don't waste anyone's time (and money, by the way).
 

Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
10,637
You either have CR7 or you have the funds to build a formidable super-power, can't have both, Ronaldo costs us close to 100m a year. Sure, you might strike gold for pennies like Beppe did in Conte era, but that doesn't happen that often, not even for Beppe lately.
That's only about 2 - 2,5m for each game he plays.
Or somewhere around 3 - 3,5m per scored goal.

Peanuts! :grin:
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
31,784
how did he miss out on thiago for 20m? juve is supposed to have great relationship with bayern.

how did he miss out on bringing back mandzukic when dybala got injured in january and kulu looked terrible?

he sure missed easy deals that could have helped this team
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,710
Im tired of paraticci to be honest

Its time to fire him and the rest of the frauds.

I would fire agnelli too but he is the owner so hevgets a safepass
 

Van Helsing

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2007
2,546
how did he miss out on thiago for 20m? juve is supposed to have great relationship with bayern.

how did he miss out on bringing back mandzukic when dybala got injured in january and kulu looked terrible?

he sure missed easy deals that could have helped this team
what about not getting haaland for 45m and paid 44m for kulusevski and 50m for morata? this guy is weak and can't bring any top player.
 

kappa96

Senior Member
Jun 20, 2018
6,886
I would agree with this point if Juventus weren't spending loads of money after CR7's arrival. Money was not a main problem. The main problem lies in how they were spent.
Money is and will always going to be a problem when we play in backwards seria A.

Real barfa man utd pool bayern have almost double the revenue . The rest have sugar daddy's.

People seem to easily forget that we are only the 11th club revenue wise .

The cr7 deal was done primarily because of our try to increase our revenue and that strategy actually worked since we probably increased our revenue by 150 million??? since then covid hit and we are back to 2018.
2014 2015 juve could not even afford him even if he wanted to come then.

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I am wondering how come a big club doesn't have a playmaker that possess good passing ability and vision.
We have . We just don't play with one or took too long to integrate one. Now he is injured and since then we look like shi*t.
Ask pirlo.
 

ilmetronome

Junior Member
Sep 16, 2020
431
We have . We just don't play with one or took too long to integrate one. Now he is injured and since then we look like shi*t.
Ask pirlo.
Arthur? No
He is a great ball controller and good dribler. He can atract opponent to press and then simple pass the ball to next player but he isn't good enough in through/long passing and vision.
Someone we miss after pirlo and prime pjanic here.
 

kappa96

Senior Member
Jun 20, 2018
6,886
Arthur? No
He is a great ball controller and good dribler. He can atract opponent to press and then simple pass the ball to next player but he isn't good enough in through/long passing and vision.
Someone we miss after pirlo and prime pjanic here.
Yeah. Got ahead of myself and thought you said regista .
 

DS8_Montero

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2018
985
The cr7 deal was done primarily because of our try to increase our revenue and that strategy actually worked since we probably increased our revenue by 150 million??? since then covid hit and we are back to 2018.
2014 2015 juve could not even afford him even if he wanted to come then.
If they increased revenue by 150 mil, but spend ~100 mil per year on CR7, and also broke the entire sporting strategy for years in favor of the short-term business goal, then it doesn't look like a well-planned strategy for a football club, especially in the long run.

Once CR7 leaves the club, the revenue trend pushed by his presence will inevitably take the opposite direction (we already saw the effect the mere rumors of his possible departure have on the club stock price). If the club doesn't get huge international success with CR7, eventually revenue may shrink even more than it used to in the pre-CR7 era. Add to this the reputation of CL losers that failed to win the tournament even with its biggest star ever in the squad, and the final result of this entire story looks terrible, from both sporting and business perspectives.

All of it makes some sense only if the strategy was to get CR7 to minimize the revenue gap for several years, and then jump to the Super League, completely erasing the CL narrative and starting with a clean slate. It does look quite plausible, since the CL obsession weirdly seems to be gone indeed. Not sure that CR7 subscribed to his role in this sly plan though.
 

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