Ah, right. Should've known better than to expect actual news from anyone that voted for Trump, my apologies.
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orbán: the left and bruxelles want to continue the war. hungary doesn't want to send troops to ukraine as it's not our business. we don't interfere with other countries' problems. we don't want to spend our money and risk our people's lives on foreign soil.
also orbán: https://vsquare.org/viktor-orban-te...ja-luka-milorad-dodik-extraction-us-tensions/
see @The Quazis that's one of the reasons why he cannot be trusted. he's a thief, a liar and a proven hypocrite on a daily basis
also orbán: https://vsquare.org/viktor-orban-te...ja-luka-milorad-dodik-extraction-us-tensions/
see @The Quazis that's one of the reasons why he cannot be trusted. he's a thief, a liar and a proven hypocrite on a daily basis
of course, nobody wants a war
but as things stand now: you either keep the russians at bay and somehow decimate them as much as it's possible in ukraine or your country might be the next. and in case of poland, it's not just some rhetorics, you guys could be the next if ukraine falls. you can try to stay neutral (and ask for help when russia attacks you) or pick a side now and try to defend your ass and europe as far from home as it's possible
it's a very easy choice for me
but as things stand now: you either keep the russians at bay and somehow decimate them as much as it's possible in ukraine or your country might be the next. and in case of poland, it's not just some rhetorics, you guys could be the next if ukraine falls. you can try to stay neutral (and ask for help when russia attacks you) or pick a side now and try to defend your ass and europe as far from home as it's possible
it's a very easy choice for me
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The post-war situation is very interesting, with huge security implications.
You hear estimates of 30/40k EU soldiers potentially supporting the defense of the (new) border, but I’ve also heard that you would need at least +125k in order to do decent job
One aspect that many people will overlook is the black market. Ukraine has long struggled with corruption, I invite everyone to Google a pre-war corruption index. Based on the past in Yugoslavia, we should expect a similar outcome: weapons used in this conflict will resurfe in criminal organizations and ISIS terror attacks. This means that securing the Ukraine-Russia border is not the only concern; we will also need to secure the borders with Romania and Poland, probably for a very long time.
Then there’s the issue of hybrid warfare, which may or may not intensify. Logically seen, Russia will have more free hands after a peace deal, and it’s uncertain whether they will upscale the attacks.
At last, it's important to understand that a attack on a peacekeeping force would likely drag all supporting countries into a direct war with Russia, so personally i'm not against but we need to see this in the light of today, where their war machine is on 100% and our armies have been depleted due to all the support.
Easy said its a total mess
You hear estimates of 30/40k EU soldiers potentially supporting the defense of the (new) border, but I’ve also heard that you would need at least +125k in order to do decent job
One aspect that many people will overlook is the black market. Ukraine has long struggled with corruption, I invite everyone to Google a pre-war corruption index. Based on the past in Yugoslavia, we should expect a similar outcome: weapons used in this conflict will resurfe in criminal organizations and ISIS terror attacks. This means that securing the Ukraine-Russia border is not the only concern; we will also need to secure the borders with Romania and Poland, probably for a very long time.
Then there’s the issue of hybrid warfare, which may or may not intensify. Logically seen, Russia will have more free hands after a peace deal, and it’s uncertain whether they will upscale the attacks.
At last, it's important to understand that a attack on a peacekeeping force would likely drag all supporting countries into a direct war with Russia, so personally i'm not against but we need to see this in the light of today, where their war machine is on 100% and our armies have been depleted due to all the support.
Easy said its a total mess
I don't think Putin intends to go further West. First of all, he couldn't conquer Ukraine so how exactly is he going to attack Poland?
Secondly, it's not like Russia invaded Ukraine just because suddenly they felt an urge to do it. Many forget but the conflict there has been on for more than 10 years. Victoria Nuland, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, admitted US spent 4-5 bln USD for Maidan Revolution. Therefore, I don't want my country to participate in a war for influence between the nuclear superpowers.
NATO is getting closer and closer to Russia since 1989. It's obvious that if you run a bear into a corner it'll fight back.
From my country's perspective, Ukraine being permanently neutralized and Russia involved in a conflict there is a very good situation as both countries are hostile towards us.
Secondly, it's not like Russia invaded Ukraine just because suddenly they felt an urge to do it. Many forget but the conflict there has been on for more than 10 years. Victoria Nuland, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, admitted US spent 4-5 bln USD for Maidan Revolution. Therefore, I don't want my country to participate in a war for influence between the nuclear superpowers.
NATO is getting closer and closer to Russia since 1989. It's obvious that if you run a bear into a corner it'll fight back.
From my country's perspective, Ukraine being permanently neutralized and Russia involved in a conflict there is a very good situation as both countries are hostile towards us.
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thanks, i know about it for weeks, it was announced already
it's a terrible mistake. they are losing the country so they are trying to buy votes. it will admittedly cost the budget 900 bn huf per year on current prices and they have no idea how to collect the lost revenue at all
peak populism, not to mention that it's discriminating as fuck as men don't get shit compared to women, even if they raise their kids alone
it's a terrible mistake. they are losing the country so they are trying to buy votes. it will admittedly cost the budget 900 bn huf per year on current prices and they have no idea how to collect the lost revenue at all
peak populism, not to mention that it's discriminating as fuck as men don't get shit compared to women, even if they raise their kids alone
https://www.liberties.eu/en/stories/rolreport2025-main/45330
And finally, Hungary belongs in a category all on its own, where democratic standards have degraded to such a degree that it would not gain access to the EU today. The Hungarian government continues to implement laws challenged by the European Commission, engages in multiple campaigns against human rights organisations and undermines the EU from within.
And finally, Hungary belongs in a category all on its own, where democratic standards have degraded to such a degree that it would not gain access to the EU today. The Hungarian government continues to implement laws challenged by the European Commission, engages in multiple campaigns against human rights organisations and undermines the EU from within.
@U Picciriddu why the "surprised" reaction? i've been telling you guys about this for years, i bought plenty of examples with articles and videos and you're still surprised?
russian influence totally goes against traditional western values and that's what happening in murica too, it's been clear since trump took office (and it was clear that he's gonna bring an anti-democratic regime even during his campaign). autocrats don't give a shit about law, human rights, civil organizations, checks and balances, freedom of speech, fighting corruption, only about money and power (which belong together). they have no principles, just goals: more money
russian influence totally goes against traditional western values and that's what happening in murica too, it's been clear since trump took office (and it was clear that he's gonna bring an anti-democratic regime even during his campaign). autocrats don't give a shit about law, human rights, civil organizations, checks and balances, freedom of speech, fighting corruption, only about money and power (which belong together). they have no principles, just goals: more money
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Yeah I didn’t know that you wouldn’t be able to enter the EU if you were a non-EU country now, I mean yeah logically they’d play hardball with Orban but now it would be the case that even without him you won’t be able to enter, which I didn’t know. That takes years of rebuilding. Also have to confess that I don’t follow Hungary or Orban that intensively. I don’t understand though why does he keeps getting elected?
Also begs the question if the EU should get more authority to stop potentially put a halt to certain changes within a country that undermine democracy or boost corruption. It’s a hard one because it will go against the autonomy of those countries.
Also begs the question if the EU should get more authority to stop potentially put a halt to certain changes within a country that undermine democracy or boost corruption. It’s a hard one because it will go against the autonomy of those countries.
well you should to some extent, and use it as a remainder why you should keep your eyes open and refuse russian propaganda at all costs. what's happening in murica and what happened to hungary could happen to any country anytime
today hungarian parliament just banned pride. it's an easy target but they did it through the modification of the assembly law. it's a basic right in any democracy, right? now they restricted this freedom because they feel that they might lose their power and demonstrations are a powerful tool against them. they reserve the right to ban any demonstration they find undesirable, and they can use facial recognition software to find those who gather despite restrictions. a powerful step towards fascism
putin is cancer to democracies. and as his extensions, both trump and orbán are equally harmful
as for the rest of your post, i explained multiple times why he's getting reelected (partly the same reason why trump kills the department of education, partly manipulation of news, partly manipulation of legislation, and maybe straight out election fraud which is hard to prove, but there are factual circumstantial evidences that it might have happened). and no, the eu doesn't have any right to violate the autonomy of the member countries. what measures they could use against orbán, they already used, almost all of them. we don't get any eu funds for years, the economy feels it, and orbán doesn't give a shit because his family is probably the wealthiest within the country. and their wealth is not even visible because officially it's some proxies who own the immense wealth
you guys in the west have probably no idea how oligarchy and "illiberal democracy" looks like. now muricans will learn it lol, well deserved too
today hungarian parliament just banned pride. it's an easy target but they did it through the modification of the assembly law. it's a basic right in any democracy, right? now they restricted this freedom because they feel that they might lose their power and demonstrations are a powerful tool against them. they reserve the right to ban any demonstration they find undesirable, and they can use facial recognition software to find those who gather despite restrictions. a powerful step towards fascism
putin is cancer to democracies. and as his extensions, both trump and orbán are equally harmful
as for the rest of your post, i explained multiple times why he's getting reelected (partly the same reason why trump kills the department of education, partly manipulation of news, partly manipulation of legislation, and maybe straight out election fraud which is hard to prove, but there are factual circumstantial evidences that it might have happened). and no, the eu doesn't have any right to violate the autonomy of the member countries. what measures they could use against orbán, they already used, almost all of them. we don't get any eu funds for years, the economy feels it, and orbán doesn't give a shit because his family is probably the wealthiest within the country. and their wealth is not even visible because officially it's some proxies who own the immense wealth
you guys in the west have probably no idea how oligarchy and "illiberal democracy" looks like. now muricans will learn it lol, well deserved too
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This will be one of my complaints in current European journalism. In a way we’re tied to what media is feeding us, I’m 100% sure that if some EU citizen is able to explain the politcal climate in their neighbouring countries that you’re already way above the average, let alone that nobody knows who Antonio Costa and Kaja Kallas are, instead many will know who Vance and Rubio are.
If I do a quick check on the news you shared about the pride demonstrations, of the six websites (both Italian and Dutch) I visited (just the front page headlines), only one Dutch website reported it as I quickly saw.
Thinking about it, it would be nice to see a EU sector at websites, just like you have economy, sports, etc.
If I do a quick check on the news you shared about the pride demonstrations, of the six websites (both Italian and Dutch) I visited (just the front page headlines), only one Dutch website reported it as I quickly saw.
Thinking about it, it would be nice to see a EU sector at websites, just like you have economy, sports, etc.