Don't worry Poland, the Germans will defend you from the Russians, like they always have.
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The growing economy is a fact. Actually, only China has been developing more dynamically than Poland in the last 30 years world-wide. First, we were the factory of Europe because many big companies moved their production to our country and now we became the India of Europe because those companies moved their white collar jobs as well. Unfortunately for us, it's mainly due to low labor cost. Poland is 5th from the end in EU on average salary. The average for EU in 2023 was almost 40k euro annually while Poland is only half of that.
Speaking of military we are basically unarmed. All of our weapons and ammo went to Ukraine, those we ordered from US are still not here. Poland is on the last place in EU for pieces of weapons per 100 citizens with 2.5 while the average for EU is 15.7.
There is one thing we are leading EU though. It's depopulation. In 2023 we lost 132.8k people which is the worst score in whole Europe. The 2nd Greece lost 16.8k so imagine the situation in Poland.
There are more factors but you'd need to write a thesis
Speaking of military we are basically unarmed. All of our weapons and ammo went to Ukraine, those we ordered from US are still not here. Poland is on the last place in EU for pieces of weapons per 100 citizens with 2.5 while the average for EU is 15.7.
There is one thing we are leading EU though. It's depopulation. In 2023 we lost 132.8k people which is the worst score in whole Europe. The 2nd Greece lost 16.8k so imagine the situation in Poland.
There are more factors but you'd need to write a thesis
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In my opinion, the problem lies within the system rather than with Orban specifically. The problem is the veto right, which should be changed, rather than silencing countries. The veto power doesn’t make much sense majority voting is a far better approach if you ask me. In fact, the whole concept of a veto undermines democracy way to often.
Right now, we are setting a precedent. We can ignore the current issues in Ukraine and instead view this as a broader trend we will see in the future. A country should have the right to vote against something, especially when it has a mandate from its own people.
This doesn't sound like we're reinforcing democracy, I rather see a systematic change.
Right now, we are setting a precedent. We can ignore the current issues in Ukraine and instead view this as a broader trend we will see in the future. A country should have the right to vote against something, especially when it has a mandate from its own people.
This doesn't sound like we're reinforcing democracy, I rather see a systematic change.
not sure why? where to start... he's a thief and a russian asset. he's a traitor to his old self, he puts russian interest above national interest, he doesn't care about democracy and freedom of speech, he puts loyalty above professional expertise, and i could go on. i could back up everything with hard data, but i don't remember the last time i convinced someone with facts in a politics related debate, so i'll save the effort. i get it, he's right wing and anti-immigration on the surface so you like him, but he's a piece of shit
talking about all resources: what % of gdp did poland provide to ukraine?
talking about all resources: what % of gdp did poland provide to ukraine?
Not only anti-americanism , but the EU might consider a closer relationship with China in the future and say good luck to the USA in the Taiwan dispute.
@The Quazis bro careful with your sources cause there is a lot of propaganda in regards to Ukraine and ukrainians.
Just last night I was seated at a table with a couple of friends when one of them said that our government is spending 750 euros per Ukrainian immigrant which is soo stupid since our lowest public income is like 450 euros per working person. I had to explain to them that it's absurd and stupid to think that .
They are getting at most 150 euros/person with most of the money coming from the EU.
You can't live on that , that's why most of them get jobs.
It's all Russian propaganda and every social media app is full of it.
@The Quazis bro careful with your sources cause there is a lot of propaganda in regards to Ukraine and ukrainians.
Just last night I was seated at a table with a couple of friends when one of them said that our government is spending 750 euros per Ukrainian immigrant which is soo stupid since our lowest public income is like 450 euros per working person. I had to explain to them that it's absurd and stupid to think that .
They are getting at most 150 euros/person with most of the money coming from the EU.
You can't live on that , that's why most of them get jobs.
It's all Russian propaganda and every social media app is full of it.
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I often have the feeling that once things go down south for the US that it could go very fast, and that they’ll pay the price for all the foreign interference that had post-WW2, if you do some research to all the coups or attempted coups you’ll find conflicting sources, but numbers between 40 and 70, some for good but many for worse. I think that you could have the same effect as what we’ve seen with slavery in pop culture, but then on a more global scale.
It’s one of the many reasons that the EU should be independent, we’d refuse to collaborate with any other country who had their track record. Being as weak as we were makes us blackmailable for another ‘Coalition of the Willing’ just as we’ve seen for their war in Iraq.
It’s one of the many reasons that the EU should be independent, we’d refuse to collaborate with any other country who had their track record. Being as weak as we were makes us blackmailable for another ‘Coalition of the Willing’ just as we’ve seen for their war in Iraq.
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Yeah, I can already see Les Bobo Parisiens dying for Ukraine.
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In 2023 it was 5%. However, there's more because we have plenty of Ukrainian immigrants who are taking the benefit of public healthcare, education etc.
I know that he won three consecutive elections with more than 2/3 of votes each time. To me he looks like a fine politician doing what it takes for the benefit of his country. He speaks to all the sides. That's what I call politics unlike Poland which is just a tool that changes its owner every few years.
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In 2023 it was 5%. However, there's more because we have plenty of Ukrainian immigrants who are taking the benefit of public healthcare, education etc.
I know that he won three consecutive elections with more than 2/3 of votes each time. To me he looks like a fine politician doing what it takes for the benefit of his country. He speaks to all the sides. That's what I call politics unlike Poland which is just a tool that changes its owner every few years.
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i'll address the rest later, just a quickie: this is wrong. fidesz got 2/3 of the votes only in 2010. then they rewrote the election regulations and still got 2/3 of the parliamental seats with 43% of the votes in 2014, with 47% in 2018, etc
not even 50% support fidesz, yet they have a 2/3 majority in the parliament. let that sink in
not even 50% support fidesz, yet they have a 2/3 majority in the parliament. let that sink in