Europa League 2016/2017 (29 Viewers)

[BayernFan]

Nah. I don't think anyone else can be added to the giants.

Barca gets there because they have quite a large number of La Liga titles, and their recent dominance in Europe. Not a historical great, but their present allows them in.

Madrid, Bayern, Juve at the top... because of combined Domestic+Europe

Milan, Liverpool, Ajax, Barca, United in the same tier, made half a step below.

Napoli, Dortmund, Celtic, Porto, Inter, Benfica, Rangers, clubs like that a full tier or more below.

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I agree. Its funny because some United fans think theyre the biggest club in the world with the biggest history Ffs, United is not even close being the biggest club in the world, when its about history. They got the biggest brand probably, but honestly think they will lose that should they continue being so mediocre.

 

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[Cerval]

Nah. I don't think anyone else can be added to the giants.

Barca gets there because they have quite a large number of La Liga titles, and their recent dominance in Europe. Not a historical great, but their present allows them in.

Madrid, Bayern, Juve at the top... because of combined Domestic+Europe

Milan, Liverpool, Ajax, Barca, United in the same tier, made half a step below.

Napoli, Dortmund, Celtic, Porto, Inter, Benfica, Rangers, clubs like that a full tier or more below.

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Benfica should be in the same tier as United.

 

[zizinho]

Porto too

 

[Marc]

@Marc has turned into a total bitch in this thread. Cheering United and vacation boy on, plus afraid of Barca.

Not afraid of barca. Just a healthy respect for them. Pogba will always have a place in my heart. He's future France captain and leader.

And saying United got a bigger history than Ajax

I didn't say that. I said ManUre is a bigger club than Ajax. Ajax's last success came like 30 years ago.

Which european clubs would you say being the biggest? Doesent have to be in a specific order.

Can be both present and historically.

1. Real Madrid
2. Bayern
3. Juventus

The rest is irrelevant.

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@Fr3sh is banned.

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Only a complete idiot says this.

Ajax has twice the history of ManU. It's not even close. The last 15 years don't erase that.

It's really too bad clubs of such stature have disappeared. That's why a European Super-League would have been interesting starting about 25 years ago.

Man U's history=Fergie's career. That's pitiful.

Without Fergie:

7 titles, 1 CL. Dortmund level of club

You idiots! What is Juve without Lippi and Trapattoni?!

 

[Elvin]

All-time greatest, in order:

1. Real Madrid
2. Juventus
3. Bayern
4. Milan
5. Barcelona
6. Liverpool
7. Inter
8. Man Utd
9. Ajax
10. Benfica/Porto

PS Juve over Bayern because CL became more prestiguous than Serie A (historically the best league where we compete with 2 other global super clubs) only since 1990.

 

[Marc]

All-time greatest, in order:

1. Real Madrid
2. Juventus
3. Bayern
4. Milan
5. Barcelona
6. Liverpool
7. Inter
8. Man Utd
9. Ajax
10. Benfica/Porto

PS Juve over Bayern because CL became more prestiguous than Serie A (historically the best league where we compete with 2 other global super clubs) only since 1990.

That's actually pretty good, except PS.

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Previous winners:

UEFA Europa League

2015/16 Sevilla
2014/15 Sevilla
2013/14 Sevilla
2012/13 Chelsea
2011/12 Atlético
2010/11 Porto
2009/10 Atlético
2008/09 Shakhtar Donetsk
2007/08 Zenit
2006/07 Sevilla
2005/06 Sevilla
2004/05 CSKA Moskva
2003/04 Valencia
2002/03 Porto
2001/02 Feyenoord
2000/01 Liverpool
1999/00 Galatasaray
1998/99 Parma
1997/98 Internazionale
1996/97 Schalke
1995/96 Bayern
1994/95 Parma
1993/94 Internazionale
1992/93 Juventus
1991/92 Ajax
1990/91 Internazionale
1989/90 Juventus
1988/89 Napoli
1987/88 Leverkusen
1986/87 Göteborg
1985/86 Real Madrid
1984/85 Real Madrid
1983/84 Tottenham
1982/83 Anderlecht
1981/82 Göteborg
1980/81 Ipswich
1979/80 Frankfurt
1978/79 Mönchengladbach
1977/78 PSV
1976/77 Juventus
1975/76 Liverpool
1974/75 Mönchengladbach
1973/74 Feyenoord
1972/73 Liverpool
1971/72 Tottenham

No AC Milan.

 

[BayernFan]

Bayern Munich and Juventus are on the same tier. Bias from fans might put the other team first, its normal. as a Bayern fan i would put us slighthy ahead where a Juve fan would do the same, but the two clubs are equal.

An AC Milan fan would probably say they are second to Real because of the big European history they got.

Still laughing when United fans think theyre the biggest club in the world. And Arsenal might be the most wannabe big club.

 

[zizinho]

You idiots! What is Juve without Lippi and Trapattoni?!

the biggest club in Italy

 

[pitbull]

Without Fergie:

7 titles, 1 CL. Dortmund level of club

what's your point? Fergie managed them for almost 30 years that's roughly a 1/5th of the clubs history and in this case the most successful 30 years, of course it takes out a lot of the clubs achievements.

 

[zizinho]

what's your point? Fergie managed them for almost 30 years that's roughly a 1/5th of the clubs history and in this case the most successful 30 years, of course it takes out a lot of the clubs achievements.

they hadnt won a title in how long, 30 years before Fergie came?he transformed them into what they are now, thats what im saying

 

[pitbull]

they hadnt won a title in how long, 30 years before Fergie came?he transformed them into what they are now, thats what im saying

I think he transformed them into something better to what they are now
but still, the fact that one great manager had so much success there doesn't take away from the club but rather adds to club's stature, gives it a certain identity. I'm proud of having guys like Del Piero and Buffon who spent almost all of their career at Juve, that is what football is all about. I'd have liked for Conte to stay and win 25 straight Scudetto's, would have been better than changing to Allegri and potentially moving on to another coach this summer.

 

[zizinho]

I think he transformed them into something better to what they are now
but still, the fact that one great manager had so much success there doesn't take away from the club but rather adds to club's stature, gives it a certain identity. I'm proud of having guys like Del Piero and Buffon who spent almost all of their career at Juve, that is what football is all about. I'd have liked for Conte to stay and win 25 straight Scudetto's, would have been better than changing to Allegri and potentially moving on to another coach this summer.

i agree, but we are kinda different. if we have a coach for 30 years, he wont be able to win twice as much as everyone else did before or after him. that is kind like if Klopp never left Dortmund and kept winning titles until he overthrows Bayern as the most successful club in the country. Fergie has 13 EPLs to 7 without him, 2 CLs to 1, 4 League Cups to 1, 5(?) FA Cups to 7 and won the Cup winners Cup too. the guy is 2/3rds of their entire history (Busby probably the remaining 1/3rd), and i think its safe to assume Liverpool would still have the most EPL titles if it wasnt for him, and atleast one of the CLs he won doesent happen

 

[Ocelot]

i agree, but we are kinda different. if we have a coach for 30 years, he wont be able to win twice as much as everyone else did before or after him. that is kind like if Klopp never left Dortmund and kept winning titles until he overthrows Bayern as the most successful club in the country. Fergie has 13 EPLs to 7 without him, 2 CLs to 1, 4 League Cups to 1, 5(?) FA Cups to 7 and won the Cup winners Cup too. the guy is 2/3rds of their entire history (Busby probably the remaining 1/3rd), and i think its safe to assume Liverpool would still have the most EPL titles if it wasnt for him, and atleast one of the CLs he won doesent happen

And?

You're implying all of this would somehow be more impressive if United had won the same amount of titles with 5 different managera in charge instead of just one - and that's BS

 

[zizinho]

And?

You're implying all of this would somehow be more impressive if United had won the same amount of titles with 5 different managera in charge instead of just one - and that's BS

they wouldnt win as much without him

 

[Ocelot]

Yeah but how does that change United's status as a club?

 

[zizinho]

it doesent, it just shows how irrelevant they are without him

 

[Ocelot]

In that case you really have to rate Fergie as the greatest coach ever, by some margin even?

 

[BayernFan]

it doesent, it just shows how irrelevant they are without him

But United is the worlds biggest club according to theyre deluded supporters

 

[Nostradamus]

In that case you really have to rate Fergie as the greatest coach ever, by some margin even?

IMO his man-management has been unprecedented..to get the best out of the players and keep them sharp and focussed. Tactically he was not extraordinary.

 

[DAiDEViL]

No AC Milan.

They were busy winning the CL instead.