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Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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We would have a good chance. We would not have been thrashed, and even if we wouldn't win we would have put up a good fight. Some posters were giving the impression that Barca would have slaughtered us the way they did Bayern, but I disagree completely.

It's all hypothetical however. Hopefully we'll face them next year.
No i don't think you would have been thrashed either. Bayern's defense is beyond a joke. But i don't think you would have stood much of a chance with them.
 

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JCK

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May 11, 2004
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I think you understood me wrong mate. I never said it was wrong for them to play in the conservative way that they did. That's their choice, they thought they couldn't match Barca if they both played attacking football, that is understandable. But do you not agree that they should have attacked Barca's weak defense more when they were a man down. I am positive they would have scored at least another goal if they pressured Barca's defense enough.
I agree that the ONLY mistake that Chelsea did was to get a goal after Abidal's red card. But to say that Chelsea's mistake was to play a defnsive approach is just cocksucking.
 

Fred

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I agree that the ONLY mistake that Chelsea did was to get a goal after Abidal's red card. But to say that Chelsea's mistake was to play a defnsive approach is just cocksucking.

Wait, where did i say that? I said it was a mistake to play defensive football after the red card. I never said it was wrong to play defensive football in general, never ever, you are mistaking me with someone else.

I might have said i preferred that Barca went to the final because Chelsea was a defensive team, i might have said that i don't like watching teams that play defensive football. But i never ever ever said it was wrong to play defensive football in general. never.


I will make it clear once again: I did not think that Chelsea was wrong to play defensive football. I did think it was wrong to be too defensive after having a one man advantage against a team with a weak and vulnerable defense like Barca. Honestly, do you not think Chelsea should have had a go against a defensive line consisting of Alves, Toure, Pique and Keita. The only real defender there is Pique.
 

David01

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no but I still think they should have altered when the red card was shown
I believe Hiddink made a mistake subbing Drogba for Belleti
Barca were playing man to man at the back, it didn't affect them that much
another striker would have put more pressure on them
 

JCK

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Wait, where did i say that? I said it was a mistake to play defensive football after the red card. I never said it was wrong to play defensive football in general, never ever, you are mistaking me with someone else.

I might have said i preferred that Barca went to the final because Chelsea was a defensive team, i might have said that i don't like watching teams that play defensive football. But i never ever ever said it was wrong to play defensive football in general. never.


I will make it clear once again: I did not think that Chelsea was wrong to play defensive football. I did think it was wrong to be too defensive after having a one man advantage against a team with a weak and vulnerable defense like Barca. Honestly, do you not think Chelsea should have had a go against a defensive line consisting of Alves, Toure, Pique and Keita. The only real defender there is Pique.
And I didn't say that it was you who said it.
 

Fred

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And I didn't say that it was you who said it.

Then who did? I don't even think Andy is saying its wrong to play defensive football, just that he prefers free flowing attacking football. Which is his right, like its Alen's right that he enjoys tactical defensive football.
 

JCK

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Then who did? I don't even think Andy is saying its wrong to play defensive football, just that he prefers free flowing attacking football. Which is his right, like its Alen's right that he enjoys tactical defensive football.
Someone might have said it using other words, like it's dumb to play defensive football.
 

sateeh

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Jul 28, 2003
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I remember that match like it was yesterday and will always remember it as such. The biggest reason was that because the match brought me brought me 300 USD in wins that time. It was a lot of money for a student. The bet was 100 USD for the match winner and 50 USD for each goal.

I remember the build-up so damn well, I remember the headlines roaming around the theme of how the best defence will be able to deal with the World's best attack.

I remember how Romario was supposed to dance his way through Maldini and Galli. I remember how Desailly and Albertini's one dimensional football was no match to Hristo's magic.

I remember exactly how football was to win against the anti-football.

I remember most though the choking. I remember in details the clueless posession and I remember and will never forget how the real football FAILED.
Jack, you remember the build-up to Milan-Barcelona in 1994?
The Italians just set a domestic record. Capello's team conceded only 15 goals on 34 matches in what was the best league in the world at the time. They won serie A with only 36 scored goals and had the 6th worst attack in the whole league, but due to their defense they won the league.
In CL they made the final that year with only 2 conceded goals before the final match.
That team was all defense, with 4 strong defenders, combative midfield, like Manchester's, and with only Boban, Savicevic and Massaro doing damage up front.

On the other side there was this dream team with Romario, Stoichkov and other magicians. Barcelona won the league that year with whooping 91 goals scored. 37 goals more than the second placed team in Spain.
People did respect Milan's overall quality, tactics, Savicevic's genius, but it was all Barca before the final. The most exciting team of all time.

4:0 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Cheering our good friends from Milano were we? :D :snoop: ( i love this smiley btw)

Also this final will not be an open affair imo, Ferguson knows better than that. Expect a game similar to the semi last season, with probably Man U winning.
 

Sadomin

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Apr 5, 2005
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Ronaldo, when he decides to be direct and effective, is superb. His physical ability and striker's instinct is what makes him stand out.

As a playmaker/show pony, he's inferior to the likes of Messi and Zlatan who combine flair with effectivity.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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Someone might have said it using other words, like it's dumb to play defensive football.
In that case of course i disagree. For me the context determines when playing defensive football is dumb, of course the same can be said about offensive football.

Fred, I even rate Zlatan higher than Ronaldo.
One could make a case for Zlatan based on this seasons performances. But as a player i'd much rather Ronaldo than Zlatan, he is better than Zlatan in almost every aspect of the game. I'm saying this with a heavy heart, as i hate Ronaldo but i really like Zlatan and enjoy watching him play.

Ronaldo scores decisive goals when his team needs him. Zlatan caves under pressure while destroying the Reggina's and Torino's of the world.
 

Ahmed

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Sep 3, 2006
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that's exactly what they used to say about Ronaldo...Zlatan is yet to have his career-changing performance...and don't think it will happen at that club
 

Sadomin

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In that case of course i disagree. For me the context determines when playing defensive football is dumb, of course the same can be said about offensive football.



One could make a case for Zlatan based on this seasons performances. But as a player i'd much rather Ronaldo than Zlatan, he is better than Zlatan in almost every aspect of the game. I'm saying this with a heavy heart, as i hate Ronaldo but i really like Zlatan and enjoy watching him play.

Ronaldo scores decisive goals when his team needs him. Zlatan caves under pressure while destroying the Reggina's and Torino's of the world.
Zlatan only scores against Milan, Roma, Inter (when he was at Juve), Italy, Spain and Greece in the Euros. What a choker.
 

Fred

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Zlatan only scores against Milan, Roma, Inter (when he was at Juve), Italy, Spain and Greece in the Euros. What a choker.
Juve - Arsenal 2006
Inter - Liverpool 2008
Inter - Man Utd 2009
Both games against Juve last season
Almost every game against Milan when Nesta plays.
 

Fred

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Like Alen said, Messi's never scored against an English or Italian team. Choker?
Messi did well against half the English teams he's played against. Scoring isnt the only thing that counts. Zlatan neither performs nor scores against English opposition.
 

Sadomin

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Messi did well against half the English teams he's played against. Scoring isnt the only thing that counts. Zlatan neither performs nor scores against English opposition.
So from saying that Zlatan fails to perform in big games, you change it to "against English opposition". How well did Messi do last night, any worse than Zlatan's 2nd performance against United?
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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You call that lucky, i call it resilience.
I don't call Barca lucky for scoring a last minute goal, even more since it was against 10 men.
"People always call it luck when you've acted more sensibly than they have"
Barcelona faught till the end and they got the reward.

But the thing is, the ref influenced the game BEFORE and AFTER Barca's equaliser. It was a daylight robbery. Chelsea were robbed by the ref. I don't call that luck, i call that cheating.
The better team was often fairly punished with a last minute goal and people called it injustice or bad luck. This time the better team was punished by the referee and i call it cheating.
Barcelona is in the final because someone cheated, so i'll call this current team of Barcelona - Barcheatlona. I don't care if the Barca fans here take it personally.
 
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