[ESP] Primera Liga 2006/2007 (17 Viewers)

[sateeh]

I think fans wanted capello out at the beg of the season because he wasn't doing his job(which is leading the table)....Looking at how much madrid spent this summer it's normal to see them leading the table. Barcelona arent the same team of last year, Sevilla is another subject.

With such a team sateeh, he should be atleast qualified to the semis of CL...same story with Juventus last year. We were having one of the finest squads and look what he did, he couldn't even overtake the english tests...two times. I expected Madrid to win La Liga this season, teams dont play defensive football. Capello is good in that.

An ok job I would say, not more, because I would be praising him, and I dont think he deserves soo much praise after how many times Barcelona and Sevilla had the chance to run away with their chances.

I will discuss his time in Madrid only cause we all know agree that we should've done better in the CL against liverpool and arsenal
Abt madrid and money spent, Thats the thing though, they spent before in the past three season as well and it got them nowhere. This year they are convincing at least.

And as I said before he is just reviving the team towards the end, and it I expected Bayern to kick them out tbh.

They were in the worst shape but look at them now. Capello must've been doing something right and trust me whether he is there or not, this madrid team will do better next season imo.

We Agree most of the times, we have the same way to look to a subject, objectively (thou some might not agree) and not from one side. int:

Madrid seems improving too from the mess they are living the last years (ending empty handed all the time), even thou they lost the biggest player in their squad, Zidane.. But I can't argue on this, Because I don't follow them or their league.

int:

Yes, Mutu was proposed by Moggi then Capello approved.

So capello actually should get some credit for Mutu?

Why don't you like the fact that there are some people who have viewpoints differ from yours? Okay, do you want it again? Emerson should have played cricket instead of football and Vieira should have assisted him in his hard mission!

Vieira's last good season was 2 years before forsaking Arsenal, he is past his best. And even during his best, he was overrated. About Emerson, yes I have a problem with him, thanks.

Because I never went around claiming that players like Emerson and Viera are overrated and never did well for juve when both did fairly well especially the former. I never based my judgments on my personal opinion just like ur doing there Ahmed.

Emerson's ran till he had no legs in his 2nd season and you call him overrated, to me thats disappointing. Tomorrow someone is going to come here and say ohh that nedved is worthless and is an overrated diver who just likes to ran without a purpose.Just like i will defend nedved, i am defending Emerson(and am not comparing them its just an example)

 

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[Ahmedios]

So capello actually should get some credit for Mutu?

Yes, he desrves.

Because I never went around claiming that players like Emerson and Viera are overrated and never did well for juve when both did fairly well especially the former. I never based my judgments on my personal opinion just like ur doing there Ahmed.

Emerson's ran till he had no legs in his 2nd season and you call him overrated, to me thats disappointing. Tomorrow someone is going to come here and say ohh that nedved is worthless and is an overrated diver who just likes to ran without a purpose.Just like i will defend nedved, i am defending Emerson(and am not comparing them its just an example)

Look, Adnan.

Not every famous player is a good player, we can't deny that some of those players are world class, others are average and the rest are overrated. And if I have a specific opinion about two or three players in our squad of the past couple of years, this doesn't mean that l base my opinion on a personal judgment. I heard the same opinion from lots of people. For example, I quoted an Arsenal fan to show what I do think about Vieira.

Another thing here, being grateful to a player who served your club is a thing, and evaluating his performance is another different thing. Actually, I can accept the fact that Emerson and Vieira at Juventus were a good players, but to say that they were world class, sorry I disagree. If they're world class, what can we say about Lampard, Essien, Gattuso, Gerrard, Makelele, Albelda, etc?

Eventually, I want to clarify one thing, I haven't started to say so after their departure. That has been my opinion even when Capello was coaching us, and especially in the last season when Capello used to place Vieira alongside Emerson. To me, their partnership didn't work at all.

 

[Snoop]

Capello has a history behind him, while Ancelotti hadn't at that time. I mean we shouldn't have expected much of the latter. Even though, when he lost the two Scudetti of seasons 1999/2000 and 2000/2001, I was gutted, but I know that the man had a limit. He wasn't that Serie A experienced.

well you were wrong about his "limit", just like you are wrong against Capello.. Look what Ancelotti is doing, see?

Any coach must have a view about players his squad needs. Moggi was a strong man, I know. But he couldn't Capello to include a player in the squad. I said it before, nothing couldn't be allowed without Capello's approval.

and nothing could be allowed without Moggi's approval. The man who is responsible for the transfers..

Even the players we got rid of, Moggi can't do this by himself. How could he take a player out of the squad and force Capello not to field him because the management all of a sudden decided to sell him? This is complete nonsense in my eyes.

and who the fuck is blaming these to Moggi to himself. didn't you started with the blaming every transfer on Capello? or do you forget everytime what you had written 5 minutes ago? Moggi and Capello are both responsible for the transfer.. Capello doesn't decide everything, he is not paying from his pocket, and sometimes it's the board that presents players to the coaches and ask if they don't mind having the player in his squad. you and me don't know which player was whom Idea, so stop claiming like you know it for real..

Maybe he was good at his first season, but he sucked in the second one.

and he is good now, so your argument fails here, it wasn't a bad transfer as you call..

You don't give a fuck, I give a fuck. Don't you like what he said just for being a gunner? You evaluate his opinion through the shirt he cheers for, brilliant!

are you dreaming again? who said I don't value his opinion because he is an Arsenal fan? I don't care because I am not discussing with him, and don't know him. and Argue with your own mind ffs, with your own opinions, adding other's quotes are really lame, and specially if they are nothing but a fan (and not someone from Football world)..

I've watched all the Juve matches this season so far bar 2 or 3 games. And I still find Zebina clumsy, hothead also his positioning and his covering are terrible.

No, because he can perform in Serie B.

and once aagain.. you are contradicting yourself again..

Di Vaio wasn't overrated and he could have been much better if he wasn't placed out of position.

yeah yeah, that's why he had glorious seasons after he left us umpkin:

Yes, I'm a Catenaccio fan. But what is this has to do with what you're saying?

nothing, catenaccio is very amusing, no one gets bored, ask the whole world umpkin:

Ancelotti could have succeeded in Italy but Capello because he was Capello was expected to perform better in Europe.

again and again and fucking again.. he failed, why don't you hate him??? don't you hate Capello for his failure? Jesus

One last thing, did you forget that he was one of the traitors who escaped the ship once they felt it was on verge of sinking? Maybe you don't like that traitors thing, and he was free to determine his next destination, I can't say he shouldn't ditch us, he is free. But don't ask me not to hate him.

yeah, it is called professionalism. He and the other players came here because they are professionals and not because they are Juve fans, and left for the same reasons.. grow up.

I'm not a Capello fan, I'm a Juve fan.

yay!! very touchy!! If you are a Juve fan, then move on, Just cheer your club.. No one is Capello fan here, I am focusing on Juve, and I don't give a flying fuck if Capello wins or dies.. But to see the slap on the face to those who claim Capello is a bad manager, would be pleasing to watch

 

[Cuti]

like i said earlier in this thread, if CApello wins the La Liga it will be a huge slap in the face of all of Barca and of those Real fans that wanted him to be gotten rid of.
Capello is a good coach whether you like it or not, wherever he has been he has been successful, people may not like his style but it is effective and has brought him success all over with Real, Juve, Roma and Milan

Ma asde 3annak. Michael_Cutajar is praising capello men halla2 wel season isnt over yet.

i just said he has been successful wherever he has been, and by benching your Del Piero he brought out the best in him, and imo it was thanks to Capello benching dp that he got called up to the world cup finals!
But trying to convince you that capello isn't a shit coach would be like trying to tell you that del piero isn't the best player in the world.

 

[Ahmedios]

I'm not going to argue more about who was responsible for this or that transfer? Both of Moggi and Capello were. Also, Capello couldn't be forced to place some players whom he didn't want. Court closed.

and he is good now, so your argument fails here, it wasn't a bad transfer as you call..

Ibrahimovic is good now, where? In a fake Serie A season...my arse.

are you dreaming again? who said I don't value his opinion because he is an Arsenal fan? I don't care because I am not discussing with him, and don't know him. and Argue with your own mind ffs, with your own opinions, adding other's quotes are really lame, and specially if they are nothing but a fan (and not someone from Football world)..

Why do you contradict yourself? Aren't you the one who've just said "I don't give a fuck of what an Arsenal fan think". What was this suppose to mean?

And adding other quotes are very supportive to one's opinion. What is wrong with me quoting a post that I really believe in? Do I have to re-write it again? With due respect, I can't really see your point.

and once aagain.. you are contradicting yourself again..

Contradicting what? Yes, Zebina is clumsy and hothead, hence, he can perform in Serie B. That's why they called Serie B Serie B. And surprise surprise, he is struggling in it.

nothing, catenaccio is very amusing, no one gets bored, ask the whole world umpkin:

Really?! But I enjoy it.

yeah, it is called professionalism. He and the other players came here because they are professionals and not because they are Juve fans, and left for the same reasons.. grow up.

Why don't you try to read first before you start hitting the keyboard? I said that anyone is free to do what he wants to do, but I'm a fan who as well has the right to prefer someone over another one, so what is your point again?

Maybe you don't like that traitors thing, and he was free to determine his next destination, I can't say he shouldn't ditch us, he is free. But don't ask me not to hate him.

For example, Thuram is a professional player who served the club and has the same age as Nedved's. But the difference between their attitudes were great when we got demoted. As a Juventino, what do you expect me to react? To like Thuram and like Nedved and the life is peaceful. No, I can't.

By the way, I don't like Thuram because he forsook us in our plight but also and most importantly due to his announcements to the media after joining Barcelona.

Definitely, I comprehended that the previous happening has nothing to do with Capello's issue, but it is about professionalism and respect of players to their previous clubs, and the reaction of the fans towards that.

 

[Snoop]

I feel like I am arguing with a wall, you are the biggest ever hypocrite I met, it is crazy how you change the subject and change my words to something I never said and make a drama out of it..

I'm not going to argue more about who was responsible for this or that transfer? Both of Moggi and Capello were. Also, Capello couldn't be forced to place some players whom he didn't want. Court closed.

court closed? are you fucked up in head? what court

this is getting pathetic Jesus!! look your first post for christ sake, I asked you why you hate Capello.. you mentioned reasons including Transfers and told me he was responsible, now you like a bitch (excuse me but I had enough of your lies) denying that you said something like that, and telling me that Moggi was involved too. So you are saying to me he didn't bring these players all by himself.. and telling me case closed? are you fucking idiot?? what case closed? you are digging yourself in a hole, you are closing your own fuckin cases, all your claims are becoming non-sense, thanx for helping me..

Ibrahimovic is good now, where? In a fake Serie A season...my arse.

was it also fake serie A two seasons ago? just like you agreed that Zlatan had a great season (his first season with us)? another case closed..

Why do you contradict yourself? Aren't you the one who've just said "I don't give a fuck of what an Arsenal fan think". What was this suppose to mean?

you are driving my nuts crazy.. Jesus... dude there is a huge differences between myself and yourself, I am not like you, I don't go to other team forums and argue with their fans, I don't hate fans of a team because I hate their club.. I barely hate a club, even if I used the word hate against some club, I don't mean the word there.

so stop talking bullshit, I don't have anything against Arsenal fan, I don't even have anything against Arsenal, why would I have for God's sake.. when I used the word Arsenal fan, I meant other club than Juve's fan, Yeah I don't care their opinion, because I doubt they were following Vieira's Performance as much as me when he was with Juve.. why are you making drama out of this? is this our subject? are you looking to escape out of this argument?

And adding other quotes are very supportive to one's opinion. What is wrong with me quoting a post that I really believe in? Do I have to re-write it again? With due respect, I can't really see your point.

When you use other's Quotes or arguments, first of all you disrespect yourself, because you don't trust your own.. Am I arguing with you or with that anonymous person?

Contradicting what? Yes, Zebina is clumsy and hothead, hence, he can perform in Serie B. That's why they called Serie B Serie B. And surprise surprise, he is struggling in it.

Serie A is fake, Serie B is worthless, so there is only UEFA CL I suppose. :faq1:

Really?! But I enjoy it.

yeah Enjoy it, even Italians are bored from it, and you call Capello's Tactics "Old Fashioned", like there are much different between them..

Why don't you try to read first before you start hitting the keyboard? I said that anyone is free to do what he wants to do, but I'm a fan who as well has the right to prefer someone over another one, so what is your point again?

For example, Thuram is a professional player who served the club and has the same age as Nedved's. But the difference between their attitudes were great when we got demoted. As a Juventino, what do you expect me to react? To like Thuram and like Nedved and the life is peaceful. No, I can't.

By the way, I don't like Thuram because he forsook us in our plight but also and most importantly due to his announcements to the media after joining Barcelona.

Definitely, I comprehended that the previous happening has nothing to do with Capello's issue, but it is about professionalism and respect of players to their previous clubs, and the reaction of the fans towards that.

Don't react like an innocent kid, you don't have to like them, and Ofcourse I value the guys that stayed with us more than those, but are the ones that left bad players because they abandoned us? I don't think so.. isn't that immature to have opinion like that?



Last note, Be a man, don't act like a coward bitch, stick with what you have said, you can't change your opinion every while like you change your underwear. And don't put words in my mouth, it was not pleasure to argue with you, because you deny everything you say previously in each post, and that's a big fuckin headache.

 

[Ahmedios]

Did you spot me before using insults or swearing? The only time, I called you an idiot, you told me that you' aren't a friend of mine and I apologised. Anyways, I'm not going down to this level and thanks.

Apparently, you have no evidence. Therefore you switched to plan B. But, Okay, I'll play to the end. But not with your rules.

I feel like I am arguing with a wall, you are the biggest ever hypocrite I met, it is crazy how you change the subject and change my words to something I never said and make a drama out of it.. court closed? are you fucked up in head? what court

this is getting pathetic Jesus!! look your first post for christ sake, I asked you why you hate Capello.. you mentioned reasons including Transfers and told me he was responsible, now you like a bitch (excuse me but I had enough of your lies) denying that you said something like that, and telling me that Moggi was involved too. So you are saying to me he didn't bring these players all by himself.. and telling me case closed? are you fucking idiot?? what case closed? you are digging yourself in a hole, you are closing your own fuckin cases, all your claims are becoming non-sense, thanx for helping me..

Do you want me to bring all my quotes here so you can figure out if there is any sort of contradictions or not. Okay.

Back to Capello's era, yes, Luciano Moggi was our "Transfer Guru", but this doesn't mean that he could negotiate a single player without an approval of the coach in charge. And don't try to convince me that Moggi was the one who chose, negotiated and finalised the transfers. Yes, he negotiated and finalised them but Capello had to choose first, that's why he is a coach. Moggi could propose a specific player when he saw some qualities in that player Capello didn't see or didn't know about, i.e. a free player, a young talent by the scouts, etc...Hence, I have to say that Capello before Moggi was responsible for the players joined Juventus in the past couple of seasons.

Any coach must have a view about players his squad needs. Moggi was a strong man, I know. But he couldn't Capello to include a player in the squad. I said it before, nothing couldn't be allowed without Capello's approval.

And please try to control yourself and don't let the momentum of your love to Capello takes you that far. Did I mention that Capello was responsible of all the wrongdoings while Moggi was an angel? But Capello shared, at least, with his choices.

Even the players we got rid of, Moggi can't do this by himself. How could he take a player out of the squad and force Capello not to field him because the management all of a sudden decided to sell him? This is complete nonsense in my eyes.

I'm not going to argue more about who was responsible for this or that transfer? Both of Moggi and Capello were. Also, Capello couldn't be forced to place some players whom he didn't want.

All my three quotes have the same meaning with no difference. Again, Moggi was the one who negotiated and finalised, and Capello the one who approved. Thus, both of them were responsible but Capello more. Moggi can't force him to include a specific player in the squad. I'm repeating what I said in these quotes.

was it also fake serie A two seasons ago? just like you agreed that Zlatan had a great season (his first season with us)? another case closed..

Thanks for closing it.

you are driving my nuts crazy.. Jesus... dude there is a huge differences between myself and yourself, I am not like you, I don't go to other team forums and argue with their fans, I don't hate fans of a team because I hate their club.. I barely hate a club, even if I used the word hate against some club, I don't mean the word there.

so stop talking bullshit, I don't have anything against Arsenal fan, I don't even have anything against Arsenal, why would I have for God's sake.. when I used the word Arsenal fan, I meant other club than Juve's fan, Yeah I don't care their opinion, because I doubt they were following Vieira's Performance as much as me when he was with Juve.. why are you making drama out of this? is this our subject? are you looking to escape out of this argument?

Did you comprehend that you are the one who doesn't know much about anything? What forum are you talking about, Mr.Millionaire? I don't have any membership on any forum except that one.

When you know what are you talking about, come and play again.

When you use other's Quotes or arguments, first of all you disrespect yourself, because you don't trust your own.. Am I arguing with you or with that anonymous person?

Didn't I explain this to you before? Didn't I quote myself as well? All this long argument and I don't trust myself? I feel for you really.

yeah Enjoy it, even Italians are bored from it, and you call Capello's Tactics "Old Fashioned", like there are much different between them..

Did I complain?

Don't react like an innocent kid, you don't have to like them, and Ofcourse I value the guys that stayed with us more than those, but are the ones that left bad players because they abandoned us? I don't think so.. isn't that immature to have opinion like that?

Why don't you make an effort and read, I'm fed up.

By the way, I don't like Thuram because he forsook us in our plight but also and most importantly due to his announcements to the media after joining Barcelona.

Last note, Be a man, don't act like a coward bitch, stick with what you have said, you can't change your opinion every while like you change your underwear. And don't put words in my mouth, it was not pleasure to argue with you, because you deny everything you say previously in each post, and that's a big fuckin headache.

What words did I change? You said this before at the beginning of your post and this is pretty lame. I didn't change anything and if you're right you can compare between my posts. Not just throwing groundless accusations, Get real.

Eventually, again...you criticised me because I don't know your age and I called you an idiot. But, you are the one who doesn't know my age and you kept on insulting me with all the possible words you know. But, if I were you, I'd have been more irritated than that. Yes, how come an old poster argues with a 3 months poster, I feel for you.

 

[Snoop]

your first post Idiot your first post.. go find it, when I asked you why these hate against capello, you wrote some bullshit, then you asked me you really want to know why I hate him? yeah, I am talking about the first bullshit, go find it.. I am not going to read your posts all over again and again, I know very well you are turning around the same circle, is it worth to have more headaches because of you? I don't think so, Be a man, stick with what you have said, stop putting words to other mouths, stop making drama " why you disrespect Arsenal fans" Jesus.. when you Learn these, come and discuss football with me again.. I can't fuckin believe myself that I am losing my temper because of you, I should give up arguing with you from the first place, I knew your limited brain couldn't handle all these

 

[mikhail]

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[Ahmedios]

your first post Idiot your first post.. go find it, when I asked you why these hate against capello, you wrote some bullshit, then you asked me you really want to know why I hate him? yeah, I am talking about the first bullshit, go find it.. I am not going to read your posts all over again and again, I know very well you are turning around the same circle, is it worth to have more headaches because of you? I don't think so, Be a man, stick with what you have said, stop putting words to other mouths, stop making drama " why you disrespect Arsenal fans" Jesus.. when you Learn these, come and discuss football with me again.. I can't fuckin believe myself that I am losing my temper because of you, I should give up arguing with you from the first place, I knew your limited brain couldn't handle all these

That's why I said you don't know much about anything. Face the facts. The quote you're talking about was from Juventuz.com You can check it here.

One guy I am not worried about at all is Vieira. I don't know how you guys rate him but I personally am glad he is gone. He was constantly slowing down our play in recent years and because he is such a influential player he almost suffocated our midfield. I pinpointed Vieira as the main reason we never won the champions league. He's a good player obviously, but what is he? A defensive midfielder, an attacking midfielder? He is a jack of all trades but a master of none in my opinion. He and Emerson are an uninspiring combination for me.

I feel embarrassed for you now. All your previous post was about throwing groundless accusations like that quoting thing.

What words did I put on your mouth? I challenge you if you can find one single sentence. Anyways, I'm not waiting for anything constructive of you, just blah, blah, blah.

You still didn't tell me why you lost your temper when I called you just "idiot" a month ago. Didn't you check how much your last post was classy? No, I can handle but you can't, and the evident is that you lost your temper because you couldn't argue anymore, your reasons are pretty lame, you retarded kid.

Edit: I've to admit that it was my fault from the start to argue with him about Capello. I know that he can't tolerate any criticism about his man. Just ask Rab or Vinman. Anyways, I won't think of discussing him again.

 

[Ahmedios]

@mikhail, I saw your warning after posting the previous one.

What should I do now?

 

[watermelon]

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poor children who are flighting...

 

[Snoop]

@mikhail, I saw your warning after posting the previous one.

What should I do now?

run and hide


you can start taking his advise, and do us favour and shut up for christ's sake.

 

[mikhail]

There was a six minute gap.

 

[Ahmedios]

I was looking for the quote Snoop asked me about.

 

[Snoop]

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Can we stop this warning bullshit? isn't it immature to show up yourself and warn to us like we are kids? It was over anyway and Yes I used insults because I gave a lot of time for this idiot to have a conversation with him, but it pisses me off when he doesn't value that and continue arguing with non-sense just for the sake of it..

I wasn't having serious discussions in this forum for a long time, because of these same reasons..

Another thing, before I forgot, if you think you have the right to call me retard and I will ignore that you are the biggest retard then.. Watch it next time.

 

[mikhail]

Stop behaving like kids and I'll stop treating you like one. Next off topic post gets a week's holiday. Anyone else have a complaint, PM a mod.

 

[JCK]

I love the John

 

[HelterSkelter]

When Capello loses,he gets slammed.When he wins,he gets slammed.It must be hard being Fabio Capello.

Anyway,I hope Real win the league this time around.

 

[Maresca]

Maresca scored a great goal again for sevilla at the weekend