[ENG] Premiership 2011/2012 (10 Viewers)

[king Ale]

Suarez didn't care if the ref saw it or not. What he cared was his team not to concede. Look at it more like the last defender fouling the attacker from the back. It's a foul and it's gonna be a red card. The defender knows that. But he doesn't care because it's his duty at that moment to stop the opposition player from scoring.

If the ref hadn't seen it, you wouldn't have said it, right? And that's exactly what's ridiculous about it because you need to stand corrected regardless.

If Boateng had been carded for diving, would you have called him a player who only cared about his team winning the game through diving?

 

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[GordoDeCentral]

Does this go for Maradona as well?

no maradona's is obviously underhanded, but it was poetic justice.

If the ref hadn't seen it, you wouldn't have said it, right? And that's exactly what's ridiculous about it because you need to stand corrected regardless.

If Boateng had been carded for diving, would you have called him a player who only cared about his team winning the game through diving?

the ref not seeing it is just a detail here, it doesnt matter when you instinctly do it, however if you;re ona yellow you d prolly not dive, the qualifications here a totally different, once again it's pretty obvous i dont know why you;re arguing this.

 

[Enron]

For once Hoori is wrong. This is awesome.

 

[king Ale]

no maradona's is obviously underhanded, but it was poetic justice.



the ref not seeing it is just a detail here, it doesnt matter when you instinctly do it, however if you;re ona yellow you d prolly not dive, the qualifications here a totally different, once again it's pretty obvous i dont know why you;re arguing this.

Probably because I don't think it was obvious?

The ref not seeing it must indeed be a detail, that's why to me Busquets is a disgusting player whether or not he's caught diving. Same with Suarez. If the ref hadn't seen the incident, you wouldn't have argued that it was obvious, so for you the ref seeing it can't be only a detail here.

 

[Enron]

Probably because I don't think it was obvious?

The ref not seeing it must indeed be a detail, that's why to me Busquets is a disgusting player whether or not he's caught diving. Same with Suarez. If the ref hadn't seen the incident, you wouldn't have argued that it was obvious, so for you the ref seeing it can't be only a detail here.

It's because Henry, Busquets, and Maradona all got advantages from their play. Suarez didn't, his play puts him and his team at a disadvantage.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Probably because I don't think it was obvious?

The ref not seeing it must indeed be a detail, that's why to me Busquets is a disgusting player whether or not he's caught diving. Same with Suarez. If the ref hadn't seen the incident, you wouldn't have argued that it was obvious, so for you the ref seeing it can't be only a detail here.

then no one should commit a foul intentionally ever, because theres a cahnce the ref might not see it and thus would be the same as scoring with your hand or diving, come on get real

 

[ALC]

Yeah, Hoori. You're getting pwned here.

 

[Enron]

seems like everyone forgot what this shining example of humility and chivalry did this past WC

I missed this. I remember Thuram saying he should never play for France again, that he was a disgrace to French football. I knew sir alex got those lines from somewhere.

 

[Salvatore]

Thuram who?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Yeah, Hoori. You're getting pwned here.

shut your slutty mouth hoori cannot be owned

Thuram who?

i love you

 

[king Ale]

It's because Henry, Busquets, and Maradona all got advantages from their play. Suarez didn't, his play puts him and his team at a disadvantage.

And it matters? You dive to get a penalty, the ref doesn't fall for it, you get a yellow. It doesn't make you a professional who sacrificed yourself for the good of your team.

 

[ALC]

Thuram who?

Some French DM we got from Arsenal.

shut your slutty mouth hoori cannot be owned

Maybe those words were too strong.

Hoori is simply being challenged in a debate with no right answer.

 

[Enron]

And it matters? You dive to get a penalty, the ref doesn't fall for it, you get a yellow. It doesn't make you a professional who sacrificed yourself for the good of your team.

Ok, do diving to get a penalty and intentionally handling a ball in the penalty area have the same punishment?

 

[king Ale]

then no one should commit a foul intentionally ever, because theres a cahnce the ref might not see it and thus would be the same as scoring with your hand or diving, come on get real

If scoring handball goals or diving in the penalty area is the same with committing random fouls in the middle of the pitch, then yes, you are right. Why's the punishment for what Suarez did a red card while he would get a yellow for the same foul in the middle of the pitch? We are talking about two totally different things; some fouls change the game, some don't.

 

[JuveJay]

Um didn't the completely scrap the pre-game handshake when QPR and Chelsea last played? And didn't the FA Chief demand that the Suarez-Evra debacle be handled with a handshake the week before the match? Sure Suarez didn't do any good by making Liverpool club, Kenny, and all us fans look like asses, but the FA never should have set up the situation in the first place. John Barnes said it great when he made a comment saying that there are so many other things that those two could do to fight racism in football and almost all would be more effective than a handshake.

Yes the QPR-Chelsea one was cancelled, as it has an ongoing case directly involving a player from either team. The FA otherwise refuses to abandon them, for whatever reason. If that case had been settled one way or another then I'm sure they would have gone ahead with the handshake. Either way, the FA cannot say to a player that they must shake the hand of another. The Suarez incident is magnified simply because he is the accused and he refused to shake hands despite it being the best thing to do to move on from a pantomime situation.

John Barnes understands the situation well enough, he has to be diplomatic here as a black Liverpool fan and ex-player. The reality being that Suarez has upset a lot of black ex-professionals with not just the abuse situation but then refusing to shake Evra's hand, so the likelihood is that it has also upset many current black professionals. There is nothing but negatives to come out of doing that. Whether the two players want to be part of a useful initiative with their current high profile is another matter. Suarez can hardly front up any anti-racism campaigns now and be taken seriously.

 

[ALC]

If scoring handball goals or diving in the penalty area is the same with committing random fouls in the middle of the pitch, then yes, you are right. Why's the punishment for what Suarez did a red card while he would get a yellow for the same foul in the middle of the pitch? We are talking about two totally different things; some fouls change the game, some don't.

He knew that, and he took a risk. Seriously, everyone would do the same, it's not dishonorable or shameful. You always see guys throwing their arms up to protect a ball they know they have no chance of heading or kicking out, especially in a world cup quarterfinal.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

If scoring handball goals or diving in the penalty area is the same with committing random fouls in the middle of the pitch, then yes, you are right. Why's the punishment for what Suarez did a red card while he would get a yellow for the same foul in the middle of the pitch? We are talking about two totally different things; some fouls change the game, some don't.

but the nature and intent is the same, stopping an action that might result in a goal. The punishment is heavier because you;re closer to scoring, once again nothing underhanded there. HOWEVER diving and scoring with your hand is strictly rlying on the ref either missing it or being deceived by it, neither matters in the first instance. So it's obviously different types of actions. Anyhoos, i understand players who wont dive and wont score with their hands and ai also understand those who do, but i can never understand a player who will do all in his power to stop a ball from going in at the last minute of a WC quarter final

 

[king Ale]

Ok, do diving to get a penalty and intentionally handling a ball in the penalty area have the same punishment?

If you mean personal punishment (which actually has to be what you mean) then yes, definitely yes in Suarez' case.

 

[Enron]

Yes the QPR-Chelsea one was cancelled, as it has an ongoing case directly involving a player from either team. The FA otherwise refuses to abandon them, for whatever reason. If that case had been settled one way or another then I'm sure they would have gone ahead with the handshake. Either way, the FA cannot say to a player that they must shake the hand of another. The Suarez incident is magnified simply because he is the accused and he refused to shake hands despite it being the best thing to do to move on from a pantomime situation.

John Barnes understands the situation well enough, he has to be diplomatic here as a black Liverpool fan and ex-player. The reality being that Suarez has upset a lot of black ex-professionals with not just the abuse situation but then refusing to shake Evra's hand, so the likelihood is that it has also upset many current black professionals. There is nothing but negatives to come out of doing that. Whether the two players want to be part of a useful initiative with their current high profile is another matter. Suarez can hardly front up any anti-racism campaigns now and be taken seriously.

You're stretching with the first paragraph. The handshake was cancelled because they thought some sort of controversy would come from it. Probably would have too, so it was a good thing. A ruling from the FA won't remove the animosity between the two players, especially if they hate each other.

Notice, I never mentioned JB's color.

Anywho, I think the point was that the hand shake was pointless. If he shakes Evra's hand then what? It's a spectacle and only that.

 

[JuveJay]

Then they all live happily ever after