I guess turning an average football team into the most successful club in England isn't enough.
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It took him 7 years to win the title, although he had more minor success with two domestic cups and the Cup Winners' Cup. He wasn't constantly successful, and remember, he was a game away from being sacked in 1990. That's what I mean about time. It's not a completely different situation to what a current Juventus coach would find themselves in.
Of course he revamped the youth system at Man Utd, so he had a direct hand and oversaw who was coming through. As for his golden generation, did he create them or was he lucky that a generation of Beckham, Giggs, Scholes, Butt, Nevilles came through at the same time? What is the difference between doing it now? Is it just that he has stronger players in place now, no openings? If Gibson, Welbeck, Evans and Cleverley were put into the same position would they be moulded into world class players? Personally I think it's a bit of both. The rest is history, if you have a solid base, bred success, the same coach for 25 years and no off field problems you can create a great dynasty. But you can also mess it up. Ferguson's greatets achievement, in my opinion, wasn't winning title after title in a relatively weak Premier League, even if he did raise the bar. It was replacing that successful team, eventually, in response to Arsenal and then Chelsea.
Of course he revamped the youth system at Man Utd, so he had a direct hand and oversaw who was coming through. As for his golden generation, did he create them or was he lucky that a generation of Beckham, Giggs, Scholes, Butt, Nevilles came through at the same time? What is the difference between doing it now? Is it just that he has stronger players in place now, no openings? If Gibson, Welbeck, Evans and Cleverley were put into the same position would they be moulded into world class players? Personally I think it's a bit of both. The rest is history, if you have a solid base, bred success, the same coach for 25 years and no off field problems you can create a great dynasty. But you can also mess it up. Ferguson's greatets achievement, in my opinion, wasn't winning title after title in a relatively weak Premier League, even if he did raise the bar. It was replacing that successful team, eventually, in response to Arsenal and then Chelsea.
Lucio was one of the best defenders in Germany, a defender with almost 100 caps for the greatest national team ever.
Samuel was a great Serie A defender, but his Real Madrid times tarnish his image as a classy defender, he was class with Roma and class with Inter but he was never fit with Inter and luckily he was fit under Mou.
Pandev wasn't a nobody, he was one of the best foreign players in Serie A
Sneijder was a class act, it's not like Mourinho made him the player he is now, he was class with Real Madrid but hey, being good is not enough to guarantee you to play with Real, just look at Robben.
You're saying it in a way that Inter players were average and Mourinho made them top class, which is total bullshit.
If Pandev and Motta were nobodies I would like to think about Carrick, Fletcher, Brown, O'Shea and co.
And oh if you're going by that way.
Who was Vidic before he joined United, a defender playing in Russian league and was average in his first 6 months at his new club?
And who was Hernandez, someone who a year ago thought about quitting football.
And Giggs, a 37 year old, who's still performing well better than some 27 year olds.
And the fuck is Fletcher? From a player who was wanted out by the fans to one of the best midfielders in the league.
Inter squad shits on United's.
Samuel was a great Serie A defender, but his Real Madrid times tarnish his image as a classy defender, he was class with Roma and class with Inter but he was never fit with Inter and luckily he was fit under Mou.
Pandev wasn't a nobody, he was one of the best foreign players in Serie A
Sneijder was a class act, it's not like Mourinho made him the player he is now, he was class with Real Madrid but hey, being good is not enough to guarantee you to play with Real, just look at Robben.
You're saying it in a way that Inter players were average and Mourinho made them top class, which is total bullshit.
If Pandev and Motta were nobodies I would like to think about Carrick, Fletcher, Brown, O'Shea and co.
And oh if you're going by that way.
Who was Vidic before he joined United, a defender playing in Russian league and was average in his first 6 months at his new club?
And who was Hernandez, someone who a year ago thought about quitting football.
And Giggs, a 37 year old, who's still performing well better than some 27 year olds.
And the fuck is Fletcher? From a player who was wanted out by the fans to one of the best midfielders in the league.
Inter squad shits on United's.
Would any other manager hvae given the chance for these youngsters to play regularly? Would any manager watch the likes of Kanchelskis, Hughes, Bruce (a year later Cantona) leave without replacing them with big names?
It took him 7 years, of course it will take him 7 years, you can't transform an average team into a class one in 1 or 2 seasons, it takes time.
It took him 7 years, of course it will take him 7 years, you can't transform an average team into a class one in 1 or 2 seasons, it takes time.
