[ENG] Premiership 2010/2011 (12 Viewers)

[Nedvěd]

I'd love to see Mourinho winning the league and reaching the European cup final with the current United squad.

 

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[Nicole]

Umm... Scotland? Yeah. I'm not talking about him winning the Portuguese league though. The CL with Porto, man.

He won the a European Cup as well with Aberdeen.

 

[Bjerknes]

Exactly my point. Ferguson has had a comfort zone at United and has always had big money to spend. He played it safe.

Indeed.

Anybody who doesn't acknowledge that is being silly.

 

[Bjerknes]

He won the a European Cup as well with Aberdeen.

No he didn't you dumb bitch.

 

[only-juve]

Oh, and where did that money come from? Do you realize that the money Fergie spent is the money he made with the club by winning trophies? United were never a rich team, they were a midtable side in the 80's and he took them to 4 European finals and 12 league titles.

Lippi reached 4 champions league finals with Juve (in far less years) plus winning "the world cup" in addition to that.

Even freackin ancelotti managed to reach 3 champions league finals in "faar" less time than ferguson.

Like ive said, ferguson played it safe for many many years, not saying he's not good at what he does. But Mourinho nodoubt is unique in this game.

 

[Bjerknes]

Of course a bunch of Manure fans and an Aberdeen fan will side with Ferguson. They aren't biased at all here.

 

[Red]

Indeed.

Anybody who doesn't acknowledge that is being silly.

And anyone who says that Mourinho doesn't only go places where there is already the core of a strong team is being silly.

 

[Red]

Of course a bunch of Manure fans and an Aberdeen fan will side with Ferguson. They aren't biased at all here.

Unlike the people who hate Ferguson?

They are all, of course, completely impartial.

 

[Red]

Exactly my point. Ferguson has had a comfort zone at United and has always had big money to spend. He played it safe.

Why shouldn't a coach go to a team who are struggling, develop a pool of young talent, put in place the infrastructure for continuing success and then reap the benefits of that?

Mourinho hasn't shown the ability to overhaul a club to put it in a position to enjoy continued success.

Maybe that is why he jumps as soon as he has success somewhere.

 

[Nedvěd]

Lippi reached 4 champions league finals with Juve (in far less years) plus winning "the world cup" in addition to that.

Even freackin ancelotti managed to reach 3 champions league finals in "faar" less time than ferguson.

Like ive said, ferguson played it safe for many many years, not saying he's not good at what he does. But Mourinho nodoubt is unique in this game.

Do you know that in the early 90's there was rule that only 3 foreigners can start in UCL game, and British players counted as foreign so Fergie could only use 3 non English players, which is one of the reasons United failed in Europe in the early and mid90.

 

[Bjerknes]

Why shouldn't a coach go to a team who are struggling, develop a pool of young talent, put in place the infrastructure for continuing success and then reap the benefits of that?

Mourinho hasn't shown the ability to overhaul a club to put it in a position to enjoy continued success.

Maybe that is why he jumps as soon as he has success somewhere.

So wait, just because it hasn't happened yet means it can't? Nice logic you got there.

I don't see how any of this takes away from Mourinho's ability as a manager.

In fact, it only exemplifies it, considering he makes do with what he has at his disposal and doesn't need the entire club based around him like Ferguson.

 

[Bjerknes]

Unlike the people who hate Ferguson?

They are all, of course, completely impartial.

You make it sound like Mourinho has coached Juventus and the United States. But alas, he's coached teams I hate, unlike you.

Next.

 

[Red]

So wait, just because it hasn't happened yet means it can't? Nice logic you got there.

I don't see how any of this takes away from Mourinho's ability as a manager.

In fact, it only exemplifies it, considering he makes do with what he has at his disposal and doesn't need the entire club based around him like Ferguson.

Where did I say Mourinho couldn't do it?

At the same time, why should I give him credit for something he hasn't done?

People are arguing Mourinho is a better manager than Ferguson i.e. is better now, so surely we should only consider what has been done, not what he may theoretically be capable of.

 

[Red]

You make it sound like Mourinho has coached Juventus and the United States. But alas, he's coached teams I hate, unlike you.

Next.

Who said it was about the clubs they've managed?

You hate Ferguson, do you not?

You may not like Mourinho, but I've never seen you say anything to make me think you hate him.

 

[bianconero]

No he didn't you dumb bitch.

Must you be so offensive you fucking ranker.

 

[Fred]

I fucking hate purple face. I hope Barca rip him a new one in the final. But truth be told Ferguson is the best coach in the world. Mourinho would come a close second for me.

 

[Red]

Good evening, Fred.

Shame you don't post so much now.

Arsenal losing today may have been the most predictable result of the whole season.

 

[Bjerknes]

Where did I say Mourinho couldn't do it?

At the same time, why should I give him credit for something he hasn't done?

People are arguing Mourinho is a better manager than Ferguson i.e. is better now, so surely we should only consider what has been done, not what he may theoretically be capable of.

Absolutely. But you're the one claiming the fact Mourinho doesn't stay at a particular club for several years makes him less of a manager. Saying that he's "jumping ship" before the team collapses is putting a nice Ferguson-spin on things, but it's based on conjecture, so take your own advice.

 

[Red]

It's not based on conjecture.

Mourinho hasn't proven to be capable of achieving success over a longer period of time at one club.

 

[Fred]

Evening Red, ya i've missed this place myself :frown:

Yup, too predictable. After choking it out against the Brum in the CC final, then going on to lose against Barcelona, it was always taking a predictable path from there, and that path was nothing but downhill. A lot of Arsenal fans say they want more signings and more money spent, but i think our biggest problem is that mentally as a team we are so weak. You can't tell me that players like Fabregas, Nasri, Song, Van Persie, Arshavin, Sagna and co can't beat the likes of Sunderland, Bolton, West Brom etc. If we weren't so fragile mentally, we would really have given United a run for their money this season. Wenger doesn't seem to be doing anything about it, the same thing is happening every season.