[ENG] Premiership 2010/2011 (12 Viewers)

[Oggy]

Yes, they were indeed coached by Ferguson, so credit to him. But now he's still relying on some of those same players even when he's brought in replacements over the years. Giggs and Scholes still carry a heavy load at the club even at their age, so to me, that shows a failure in transfer strategy and/or the lack of younger generations coming through the ranks. There's a reason why they label those players the glory generation at United... they were immensely talented and it wasn't only Ferguson who brought them up.

So Juve is also a failure because of Del Piero, he plays even a bigger role at Juve than Giggs at United. Also Scholes is far from a regular starter, so he shouldn't be counted. Also this is like third generation of players under Ferguson, only three (I think) players remained from previous generation, which shows that Ferguson actually have a good transfer strategy.

 

Buy on AliExpress.com

[Red]

There is certainly a lack of strong personalities in the Arsenal squad.

Even the 'senior' members of the current team are rather bitchy and more likely to moan if things aren't going their way, rather than getting stuck in and trying to do something about it.

Still, it's the same thing that has been said ever since Vieira left.

 

[Red]

So Juve is also a failure because of Del Piero, he plays even a bigger role at Juve than Giggs at United. Also Scholes is far from a regular starter, so he shouldn't be counted. Also this is like third generation of players under Ferguson, only three (I think) players remained from previous generation, which shows that Ferguson actually have a good transfer strategy.

And Del Piero is less of a player because he showed loyalty and stayed in his 'comfort zone' rather than hopping around Europe.

 

[Bjerknes]

It's not based on conjecture.

Mourinho hasn't proven to be capable of achieving success over a longer period of time at one club.

You saying he's jumping ship is based on conjecture.

Mourinho turned Chelsea into a winning side and the same foundation he laid with the team is partly in place even today.

The success in different leagues and the trophies he's won in his young career speak for themselves, quite frankly.

 

[Red]

And Ferguson's record doesn't speak for itself?

Come back in twenty years.

If Mourinho continues at his current rate he will, of course, have surpassed Ferguson.

He hasn't done it yet, though.

 

[Bjerknes]

So Juve is also a failure because of Del Piero, he plays even a bigger role at Juve than Giggs at United. Also Scholes is far from a regular starter, so he shouldn't be counted. Also this is like third generation of players under Ferguson, only three (I think) players remained from previous generation, which shows that Ferguson actually have a good transfer strategy.

I didn't say his entire transfer strategy was a failure. But if he found serious replacements for Giggs and Scholes they wouldn't be playing so often right now. That's a fact.

Juve is definitely a failure. No need to keep pointing it out.

 

[Fred]

Giggs is class, when fit he definitely deserves to play. Despite being a United player, he is one of the very few in that team that i actually admire.

 

[Oggy]

I didn't say his entire transfer strategy was a failure. But if he found serious replacements for Giggs and Scholes they wouldn't be playing so often right now. That's a fact.

Juve is definitely a failure. No need to keep pointing it out.

But Scholes rarely plays, and Giggs wasn't starter at the beginning. Recently he plays more, but still he is far from key player for them. Than you also should realize that it's not an easy job to replace great player like him.

 

[Bjerknes]

And Ferguson's record doesn't speak for itself?

Come back in twenty years.

If Mourinho continues at his current rate he will, of course, have surpassed Ferguson.

He hasn't done it yet, though.

Mourinho is already a better tactician. Winning the CL with Porto and then Inter is a bigger accomplishment than anything Ferguson has done. When he wins a league title with Real and then another CL with yet another club, it should be fairly obvious.

 

[Alen]

I'd love to see Mourinho winning the league and reaching the European cup final with the current United squad.

He might do it. He strives when he doesn't have a star packed team, which he can shape the way he wants to. Neither Porto nor Inter had more star players than this United. Chelsea and Real on the other hand, had squads full of stars.

 

[Bjerknes]

But Scholes rarely plays, and Giggs wasn't starter at the beginning. Recently he plays more, but still he is far from key player for them. Than you also should realize that it's not an easy job to replace great player like him.

It isn't an easy job replacing that generation of footballers. I doubt United will ever have a better group of players come through the system than the Giggs and Scholes generation.

 

[Bjerknes]

He might do it. He strives when he doesn't have a star packed team, which he can shape the way he wants to. Neither Porto nor Inter had more star players than this United. Chelsea and Real on the other hand, had squads full of stars.

I think he'll get one with Real, unless they idiotically remove him, which is entirely possible.

 

[Nedvěd]

He might do it. He strives when he doesn't have a star packed team, which he can shape the way he wants to. Neither Porto nor Inter had more star players than this United. Chelsea and Real on the other hand, had squads full of stars.

Inter had Eto'o, Sneijder, Cambiasso, Zanetti Lucio, Samuel and Maicon all of them are classy players and I would argue that Eto'o and Sneijder are stars. Our United team is probably the weakest team our of all the big clubs in Europe,.

 

[Bjerknes]

Inter had Eto'o, Sneijder, Cambiasso, Zanetti Lucio, Samuel and Maicon all of them are classy players and I would argue that Eto'o and Sneijder are stars. Our United team is probably the weakest team our of all the big clubs in Europe,.

And that's complete bullshit considering the defense.

 

[Alen]

I'd love to see Mourinho winning the league and reaching the European cup final with the current United squad.

Inter had Eto'o, Sneijder, Cambiasso, Zanetti Lucio, Samuel and Maicon all of them are classy players and I would argue that Eto'o and Sneijder are stars. Our United team is probably the weakest team our of all the big clubs in Europe,.

Of course you'll say this after they won the CL. But what did you think about them before last season? Did you consider them world class stars (except Eto'o)?
Milito was a 30 year old who came from Genoa, Sneijder was an ex-Ajax player who came directly from Real's bench. Cambiasso was never respected outside Italy. Zanetti was a 37 year old. Pandev and Thiago Motta were nobodies, while Lucio was another +30 year old who Bayern fans were even happy they got rid of. Samuel is a great defender but was always in the shadow of many other defenders. Only Maicon was the best in his position but everyone was jerking on Dani Alves.
No, Inter's team wasn't star packed one and most of them made a name for themselves only AFTER last year's CL.

 

[Alen]

Actually, one can argue that Inter's pre-Calciopoli teams had more star players than Mourinho's team. They always bought the best (the fuckin' Ronaldo was there) but they choked. They "unchoked" only after Mourinho came and was allowed to shape the team as he wants, making even profit on the way because Zlatan's transfer out of Inter financed all the others who came last year.

 

[Firestarter]

Of course you'll say this after they won the CL. But what did you think about them before last season? Did you consider them world class stars (except Eto'o)?
Milito was a 30 year old who came from Genoa, Sneijder was an ex-Ajax player who came directly from Real's bench. Cambiasso was never respected outside Italy. Zanetti was a 37 year old. Pandev and Thiago Motta were nobodies, while Lucio was another +30 year old who Bayern fans were even happy they got rid of. Samuel is a great defender but was always in the shadow of many other defenders. Only Maicon was the best in his position but everyone was jerking on Dani Alves.
No, Inter's team wasn't star packed one and most of them made a name for themselves only AFTER last year's CL.

This is true.

 

[only-juve]

Mourinho is really unique, never liked the guy but he's definitely better than ferguson. I swear if ferguson wasn't man united manager people (man united + english football fans) wouldn't say he's "the best". He'd be called great but not the best.

No offense but Ever since i've watched football some 20 years ago and the hype around United been ridicolous. Their manager "must" be the best in the world, their players must be the best or atleast the most hyped (c.ronaldo, beckham, cantona and now rooney).

What makes ferguson for example any better than Lippi ? Both reached 4 champions league finals (even though Lippi have stayed far less time with Juve) and in addition he won the world cup (which ferguson never did and most likely never will).

franz beckenbauer, Lippi and others IMO have more impressive resume than Ferguson yet their never mentioned along side him (by the dominated english media).

 

[Bjerknes]

World Cup? Who cares about that when you've got the FA Cup, the most prestigious thing in the world since Bobby Charlton wiped his ass crack with toilet paper.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Too much to reply to... But Nicole, Ferguson didn't win the European Cup with Aberdeen.