[ENG] Premiership 2008/2009 (44 Viewers)

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Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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True, but the top players will still continue to be poached by top clubs. It needs to do more than that, such as limit sales of youth players til after their 18th birthday or after they sign a pro contract. So that the teams at least get some sort of cash if a top club decides to play "let's make a deal".
That's something that also needs to be introduced.
 
Sep 1, 2002
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6+5 rule will fix many of these issues. Just hope for the day when they introduce this system, hopefully soon :xfinger:
That will be a great day, but, nevertheless, unless contacts can be offered to those under 17 the best talents will still be nabbed by English clubs.

Who can blame those to youngsters for wanting the opportunity of joining great clubs: not to mention the financial benifits on offer.
 

only-juve

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Jan 5, 2008
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That will be a great day, but, nevertheless, unless contacts can be offered to those under 17 the best talents will still be nabbed by English clubs.

Who can blame those to youngsters for wanting the opportunity of joining great clubs: not to mention the financial benifits on offer.
The great thing about this rule is that less and less foreigners will move abroad to other nations. Right now an italian, french or spanish youngters know that they have a real chance to play in england in one of the top teams ( they have the same chance as any other english youngsters in that team if not a bigger chance than them).

Once that rule is introduced, those youngsters have to fight with other allready established foreign players for the 5 spots in each team (that is an almost impossible mission unless that youngster is Messi or a really special talent).

Clubs like united, pool, chelski and arsenal being the wealthiest clubs out there they won't sign a promising foreign youngster to take that limited spots. They rather keep those spots to a really highly rated foreign player.

So instead of signing 15-20 promising foreign youngters in their team (thats whats happening right now there). They'll spend their cash on highly rated allready established foreigners Plus they'll spend their cash on their domestic academies so that they can prepare the next generation of english players (which is a really hard task but good luck for them).

The 6+5 rule will fix even snaping the youngsters from other countries and it will give a more balanced competitions between european clubs in europe....
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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The great thing about this rule is that less and less foreigners will move abroad to other nations. Right now an italian, french or spanish youngters know that they have a real chance to play in england in one of the top teams ( they have the same chance as any other english youngsters in that team if not a bigger chance than them).

Once that rule is introduced, those youngsters have to fight with other allready established foreign players for the 5 spots in each team (that is an almost impossible mission unless that youngster is Messi or a really special talent).

Clubs like united, pool, chelski and arsenal being the wealthiest clubs out there they won't sign a promising foreign youngster to take that limited spots. They rather keep those spots to a really highly rated foreign player.

So instead of signing 15-20 promising foreign youngters in their team (thats whats happening right now there). They'll spend their cash on highly rated allready established foreigners Plus they'll spend their cash on their domestic academies so that they can prepare the next generation of english players (which is a really hard task but good luck for them).

The 6+5 rule will fix even snaping the youngsters from other countries and it will give a more balanced competitions between european clubs in europe....
Wait, i'm not sure if i understand this rule well enough, so feel free to correct me if i'm wrong here.

But my understanding of the rule is, it doesnt matter where the player is from as long as he's homegrown ie he went through the clubs academy. For example Messi would be considered a homegrown player.

Clubs will simply buy youngsters when they're 14-15 in that case.
 

Raz

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Nov 20, 2005
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Yes, i think you are right, if im not mistaken a player have to play for a few seasons before he is 18 then he is considered home grown?
 

pitbull

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Clubs will simply buy youngsters when they're 14-15 in that case.
im sure that will improve the case greatly, as being great at 14 doesnt really mean that there is reason to invest in the player greatly. and even english clubs can`t offer pro-contracts to such youngsters, so the only real argument would be pure money (no stability) and the status of club (i dont really believe, that guy raised in Rome wants to be Giggs or Scholes heir not Totti`s or some other roman footballer), which would mean lesser number of talented guys would go abroad.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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Wait, i'm not sure if i understand this rule well enough, so feel free to correct me if i'm wrong here.

But my understanding of the rule is, it doesnt matter where the player is from as long as he's homegrown ie he went through the clubs academy. For example Messi would be considered a homegrown player.

Clubs will simply buy youngsters when they're 14-15 in that case.
Correct.

The rule would be a step in the right direction, but it certainly won't solve all problems.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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im sure that will improve the case greatly, as being great at 14 doesnt really mean that there is reason to invest in the player greatly. and even english clubs can`t offer pro-contracts to such youngsters, so the only real argument would be pure money (no stability) and the status of club (i dont really believe, that guy raised in Rome wants to be Giggs or Scholes heir not Totti`s or some other roman footballer), which would mean lesser number of talented guys would go abroad.
Good point.

Correct.

The rule would be a step in the right direction, but it certainly won't solve all problems.
It probably is. But i'm biased and i don't want it to happen, i can't imagine having to watch Nolan's and Barton's play for Arsenal :mad:
 

only-juve

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Jan 5, 2008
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Wait, i'm not sure if i understand this rule well enough, so feel free to correct me if i'm wrong here.

But my understanding of the rule is, it doesnt matter where the player is from as long as he's homegrown ie he went through the clubs academy. For example Messi would be considered a homegrown player.
:disagree:

Definition of the 6 + 5 rule:

At the beginning of each match, each club must field at least 6 players eligible to play for the national team of the country of the club. However, there is no restriction on the number of non-eligible players under contract with the club, nor on substitutes to avoid non-sportive constraints on the coaches (potentially 3+8 at the end of a match).
 

sateeh

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Jul 28, 2003
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Wait, i'm not sure if i understand this rule well enough, so feel free to correct me if i'm wrong here.

But my understanding of the rule is, it doesnt matter where the player is from as long as he's homegrown ie he went through the clubs academy. For example Messi would be considered a homegrown player.

Clubs will simply buy youngsters when they're 14-15 in that case
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I read something about Platini wanting to stop that by banning transfers for u-18 players, but I guess its still in the works. I think its important to have that with the 6+5 rule as it would reinforce it's point.
 

mikhail

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Jan 24, 2003
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I read something about Platini wanting to stop that by banning transfers for u-18 players, but I guess its still in the works. I think its important to have that with the 6+5 rule as it would reinforce it's point.
If he tries that, he'll get his ass kicked by the EU. You can't stop a kid from moving from Italy to England. You definitely can't fuck up his career doing it. The principles of free movement of labour will eventually overturn the slave-ownership principles which underpin the current transfer systems.

Imagine you're a kid who plays a decent game of football. You play for Foggia's U15 team. Now, your dad's decided to emigrate to England, where he's going to open a restaurant and follow his dream*. Such a system as Platini wants means that either a fourteen year old kid can't move with his family, or he has to quit playing football until he's 18, by which stage, he'll be so long out of training that he can't ever be a footballer. Screw that. Especially to save Lazio or Real Betis or Man City their selfish investment in some kid they'll happily dump the minute he looks like he won't make it any way, screw that.


*Sorry for the clichés, but they're effective here.
 

Bozi

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Oct 18, 2005
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i know we have move dthe conversation on but.
It wasn't incompetent.

The player made a good tackle on Gerrard and the ball just happened to fall perfectly for Benayoun.

I don't see how the goal cannot be seen as fortunate.
on one hand you could say that liverpool were fortunate to have scored a late goal,but on the other hand if they had not scored then we would have all been talking about how unfortunate they were after hitting the woodwork 4 times! good teams play till the end of the game and sometimes that determination to keep going pays off, i don't view it as luck







unless it is celtic those lucky bastards
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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I had already said that Liverpool deserved to win the game.

How can Celtic be lucky? The whole world is constantly conspiring against them.
 

Bozi

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Oct 18, 2005
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i am not saying you didn't just that you said it was a fortunate goal, i guess i am of the belief that you make your own luck
 
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