[ENG] Premiership 2006/2007 (20 Viewers)
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I agree Salman. Gamst was a player I did not hear before following EPL this year. I am still not convinced by his over-rall game, as he doesn't quite get into flow of the match as much as you would expect from a player of his calibre. But still, his ability to kick dead balls is up there with the very best. His free-kick against Sheffield was almost Beckham-esque a la Greece. I like his wing patner Bentley as well. His technical ability is that of Spanish or Italian than English. He has improvisation in his game.
Pedersen is in general an excellent player. Very aggressive and strong for a player of his size and guaranteed to get close to double figures in terms of goals from midfield. He isn't particularly fantastic at carrying the ball but can keep a move ticking over nicely and finish it with panache.
Bentley was always a talented player but he has an attitude that sucks; when he was with us Wenger said that he was technically perfect and it went to his head. He ran into alot of trouble with us and when we sent him on loan, Norwich sent him back because he managed to enrage the whole of their dressing room with his behaviour in training.
He is taking his chance at the moment but where he perhaps could have been a top-tier player, I think he will now just be a good premiership player but we shall see.
His technique is so good because he came through our academy which specifically focuses on that area of the game (some would call it the continental approach, I call it the right way). You can read interviews with Bentley on this but I'll have to find the link another time.
There are much better players coming through now and you'll see them in a year or two. Henri Lansbury- remember the name.
Bentley was always a talented player but he has an attitude that sucks; when he was with us Wenger said that he was technically perfect and it went to his head. He ran into alot of trouble with us and when we sent him on loan, Norwich sent him back because he managed to enrage the whole of their dressing room with his behaviour in training.
He is taking his chance at the moment but where he perhaps could have been a top-tier player, I think he will now just be a good premiership player but we shall see.
His technique is so good because he came through our academy which specifically focuses on that area of the game (some would call it the continental approach, I call it the right way). You can read interviews with Bentley on this but I'll have to find the link another time.
There are much better players coming through now and you'll see them in a year or two. Henri Lansbury- remember the name.
Well there are many aspects I don't like about Arsenal, but one thing I do like about them is the insistence on technical aspects for young players. I have no problem taking in the fact that Bentley's technical ability is largely due to the your academy system. His ability on the ball is simply terrific, and he is capable taking players on one on one. Pederson, as you said, has more M-product to his game, but I still believe he has much to learn in general with being more authority in every aspects of his play. I still like his potential though, and definetely the ability to score goals from mid.
@ Gray,
I just want to say I did go to Fulham and saw South Korea play. I thoroughly enjoyed it, and though the end result could have been a bit better.
. Anyway, I'll give some brief report on the atmosphere and the game.
Firstly, I have to say Greek support was fantastic. They fan really know how to enjoy the game. There was a period in the second half whereby home-stand asked some question, and those from neutral ground answered back. Magnifico! I want to see the same thing in our national match as well. But Koreans I have to say have similar tendency with us Japanese whereby Girls start to shriek like hell whenever the ball goals anywhere near the goal. I guess neighbours sharing bad habits.
The security wasn't too strict with a lot of empty seats, so me and my Korean friend was just wondering around everywhere changing seat every second. I persuaded my friend to seat on the Greek stand in the second half as it will give better view of Korean attacking play. He and me was real pissed by that time. But after few minutes, he felt somewhat insecure so asked me to move to neutral ground.
The game wasn't too great. As a matter fact, if they showed on Television, I probably would have fell asleep. Nonetheless, being in stadium is always different. I have never been to small stadium such as Craven Cottage, and small size is really good for the atmosphere. You can get real close view of the things, compared to say Bernabaeu, San Siro, or Stadio Olimpico. I don't know the name of your national manager, but man he is big. He was by far the tallest man in the entire stadium. Real cool most of the time, but his trick of bringing player on every 5mins towards the end of match to preserve the lead was the oldest trick you can find in the book.umpkin:. Greek manager, in contrast, was very animated. Pity that his players didn't look half as interested.
Anyway, some scouting report on the match.
A Korean GK had outstanding match. He made two fantastic saves. The one in the first half was just unbelivable. From the angle we were watching, the Greek player had gaping open goal in front of him to smash the ball in, and yet somewhat the GK had the atheleticism to recover his initial mistake to put a hand in. Fantastic! My friend went mentor after the save.
Based on the obersavation, I feel Park Ji-Sung is way way overrated. I have seen him play for Kyoto so I don't want to diss him too much, but his general play was just not that impressive. You can clearly see on the pitch, Park has limited imagination on the ball. That his biggest difficiency. His work rate isnt anywhere near as it is reputed to be. But one thing he does really well, is to use his body to maximum effect. Because he doesnt have a great ball control, Park has developed a way to shield a ball really well. So despite his lack of technical ability, it is really difficult to take ball off him. But I am still not entirely impressed by his calibre.
On Lee Young-Pyo, I think defensively he is pretty solid. His positioning and intelligence of picking appropriate moment to run is top class. His biggest problem is he has tendency to take several touches on the ball if he can't release the ball instantly thus stopping the flow of attack and allowing opposition to set their defence.
Goods
Seoul Ki-Hyun - He was terrific on the ball, and gave Greek defenders a run about in the entire match. Rarely loosed a ball, and worked hard for the team. Only fault is he doesnt win too much headers (with tendency to close eyes when heading the ball - very bad), and wasn't so active in the final third. But he was the best Korean player on the night IMO. It was great to see him staying on the field whilst his teammates left, applauding his fellow Koreans after the match. A top class pro.
Kim Do-Hyiun (Spelling ?). I first knew him from his blinder against us Japan in East Asia Cup two years ago, where he was the best player on the pitch by quite a distance. I forgot his name so I had to asked my friend, but his quality is someting I shall not forget in any haste. He was by far the most skillful player on the pitch out of all players who participated in the match, and possess outstanding vision. Worked extremly hard for the team, but can't tackle to save his life.
Kim Jin-Kyu. I have seen him in J-League. I always thought him to be bad defender who was excellent going forward. But how did I revise my conception of him after the match. He was real good. I mean real good. I am talking about Hong Myung-Bo (My favorite Asian defender) level here. The boy's positioning sense, distribution is good enough to play in Serie A, EPL, La Liga you name it. He is moving to Europe pretty soon - I think you can book on this.
Bad
Cho Jae-Jin. Another Korean, I know from J-League. All I can say is that, he didn't win too much aerial battle tonight, and his first touch was
worse than mine. And I am not kidding here. I can swear to god that I possess more technical ability than he has. Because his first touch is so bad, it allows defenders to go and risk to win the ball off him. I am disappointed by his performance because I have considered him to be a good player before.
Ugly
Park. I don't think you can dispute this.
Anyway I am off too bed. Alchol is sucking me into bed. BTW, I am somewhat dissapointed by the quality of chicks in the stadium. I went there fancing some romace =).
Congratulations for the victory.
I just want to say I did go to Fulham and saw South Korea play. I thoroughly enjoyed it, and though the end result could have been a bit better.
. Anyway, I'll give some brief report on the atmosphere and the game. Firstly, I have to say Greek support was fantastic. They fan really know how to enjoy the game. There was a period in the second half whereby home-stand asked some question, and those from neutral ground answered back. Magnifico! I want to see the same thing in our national match as well. But Koreans I have to say have similar tendency with us Japanese whereby Girls start to shriek like hell whenever the ball goals anywhere near the goal. I guess neighbours sharing bad habits.
The security wasn't too strict with a lot of empty seats, so me and my Korean friend was just wondering around everywhere changing seat every second. I persuaded my friend to seat on the Greek stand in the second half as it will give better view of Korean attacking play. He and me was real pissed by that time. But after few minutes, he felt somewhat insecure so asked me to move to neutral ground.
The game wasn't too great. As a matter fact, if they showed on Television, I probably would have fell asleep. Nonetheless, being in stadium is always different. I have never been to small stadium such as Craven Cottage, and small size is really good for the atmosphere. You can get real close view of the things, compared to say Bernabaeu, San Siro, or Stadio Olimpico. I don't know the name of your national manager, but man he is big. He was by far the tallest man in the entire stadium. Real cool most of the time, but his trick of bringing player on every 5mins towards the end of match to preserve the lead was the oldest trick you can find in the book.
umpkin:. Greek manager, in contrast, was very animated. Pity that his players didn't look half as interested.Anyway, some scouting report on the match.
A Korean GK had outstanding match. He made two fantastic saves. The one in the first half was just unbelivable. From the angle we were watching, the Greek player had gaping open goal in front of him to smash the ball in, and yet somewhat the GK had the atheleticism to recover his initial mistake to put a hand in. Fantastic! My friend went mentor after the save.
Based on the obersavation, I feel Park Ji-Sung is way way overrated. I have seen him play for Kyoto so I don't want to diss him too much, but his general play was just not that impressive. You can clearly see on the pitch, Park has limited imagination on the ball. That his biggest difficiency. His work rate isnt anywhere near as it is reputed to be. But one thing he does really well, is to use his body to maximum effect. Because he doesnt have a great ball control, Park has developed a way to shield a ball really well. So despite his lack of technical ability, it is really difficult to take ball off him. But I am still not entirely impressed by his calibre.
On Lee Young-Pyo, I think defensively he is pretty solid. His positioning and intelligence of picking appropriate moment to run is top class. His biggest problem is he has tendency to take several touches on the ball if he can't release the ball instantly thus stopping the flow of attack and allowing opposition to set their defence.
Goods
Seoul Ki-Hyun - He was terrific on the ball, and gave Greek defenders a run about in the entire match. Rarely loosed a ball, and worked hard for the team. Only fault is he doesnt win too much headers (with tendency to close eyes when heading the ball - very bad), and wasn't so active in the final third. But he was the best Korean player on the night IMO. It was great to see him staying on the field whilst his teammates left, applauding his fellow Koreans after the match. A top class pro.
Kim Do-Hyiun (Spelling ?). I first knew him from his blinder against us Japan in East Asia Cup two years ago, where he was the best player on the pitch by quite a distance. I forgot his name so I had to asked my friend, but his quality is someting I shall not forget in any haste. He was by far the most skillful player on the pitch out of all players who participated in the match, and possess outstanding vision. Worked extremly hard for the team, but can't tackle to save his life.
Kim Jin-Kyu. I have seen him in J-League. I always thought him to be bad defender who was excellent going forward. But how did I revise my conception of him after the match. He was real good. I mean real good. I am talking about Hong Myung-Bo (My favorite Asian defender) level here. The boy's positioning sense, distribution is good enough to play in Serie A, EPL, La Liga you name it. He is moving to Europe pretty soon - I think you can book on this.
Bad
Cho Jae-Jin. Another Korean, I know from J-League. All I can say is that, he didn't win too much aerial battle tonight, and his first touch was
worse than mine. And I am not kidding here. I can swear to god that I possess more technical ability than he has. Because his first touch is so bad, it allows defenders to go and risk to win the ball off him. I am disappointed by his performance because I have considered him to be a good player before.Ugly
Park. I don't think you can dispute this.
Anyway I am off too bed. Alchol is sucking me into bed. BTW, I am somewhat dissapointed by the quality of chicks in the stadium. I went there fancing some romace =).
Congratulations for the victory.
(You made a pretty good analysis, so anything I don't reply to, I pretty much agree on).
First of all, no mention of Lee Chun-Soo's free kick? You just don't want to admit that it was a quality goal
Yeah, it could've been 3-0
Yeah that bugs me too. Whenever I watch World Cup games with "once-every-four-years" football fans, they're going nuts over nothing when it's so obvious that there's no threat to either goal. It's times like those that I realise that there really is such thing as "reading the game".
Haha, really? I didn't realise he (Pim Verbeek btw) was such a tall bloke.
Yeah, that got a little tiring towards the end. I wish he'd just given our players more of a chance to keep the game flowing.
Yeah, he had a pretty good performance, though I tend to be a bit more critical, and I was cursing him a bit for making the initial mistake. He made some pretty damn good saves throughout though, and definitely takes my MotM award.
I'm not surprised that Park Ji-Sung wasn't very impressive, considering it was a friendly match. You're right, he is limited technically, and I think there are plenty of Korean players who can and will be much more skillful than him in the years to come (I'm glad you mentioned Kim Doo-Hyun, because he's one of the players whom I believe is a big fish in a small pond playing in the K-League).
As you mentioned, his work-rate is probably the biggest asset of his game. Judging from the lack of running that we're used to seeing from him, I'm pretty sure he was following instructions from Fergie not to wear himself out too much.
I'm surprised you think so highly of him, because I'm not his biggest fan. He played well against Greece, but in the World Cup and other times I've seen him, he's been average, if not a little bad. I guess I haven't seen him play live, so I won't know about a lot of his game (i.e. positioning sense and the like), but I'd like to believe what you said about him.
Too true. He was saying before the match how he was hoping to impress the scouts, but he did anything but that against Greece. I've never thought much of him as a player, though I like him for some reason (one of those reasons, I must admit, is that he looks like a man, unlike too many of the sissies playing for our NT). He's definitely lacking a lot in terms of technical ability, but the strongest points of his game are his aerial game and strength, which he really didn't know today. Very disappointing.
Yeah, I guess so
:toast:
First of all, no mention of Lee Chun-Soo's free kick? You just don't want to admit that it was a quality goal
Yeah, it could've been 3-0
But Koreans I have to say have similar tendency with us Japanese whereby Girls start to shriek like hell whenever the ball goals anywhere near the goal. I guess neighbours sharing bad habits.
Haha, really? I didn't realise he (Pim Verbeek btw) was such a tall bloke.
Real cool most of the time, but his trick of bringing player on every 5mins towards the end of match to preserve the lead was the oldest trick you can find in the book.umpkin:
umpkin:
A Korean GK had outstanding match. He made two fantastic saves. The one in the first half was just unbelivable. From the angle we were watching, the Greek player had gaping open goal in front of him to smash the ball in, and yet somewhat the GK had the atheleticism to recover his initial mistake to put a hand in. Fantastic! My friend went mentor after the save.
I'm not surprised that Park Ji-Sung wasn't very impressive, considering it was a friendly match. You're right, he is limited technically, and I think there are plenty of Korean players who can and will be much more skillful than him in the years to come (I'm glad you mentioned Kim Doo-Hyun, because he's one of the players whom I believe is a big fish in a small pond playing in the K-League).
As you mentioned, his work-rate is probably the biggest asset of his game. Judging from the lack of running that we're used to seeing from him, I'm pretty sure he was following instructions from Fergie not to wear himself out too much.
I'm surprised you think so highly of him, because I'm not his biggest fan. He played well against Greece, but in the World Cup and other times I've seen him, he's been average, if not a little bad. I guess I haven't seen him play live, so I won't know about a lot of his game (i.e. positioning sense and the like), but I'd like to believe what you said about him.
Cho Jae-Jin. Another Korean, I know from J-League. All I can say is that, he didn't win too much aerial battle tonight, and his first touch was worse than mine. And I am not kidding here. I can swear to god that I possess more technical ability than he has. Because his first touch is so bad, it allows defenders to go and risk to win the ball off him. I am disappointed by his performance because I have considered him to be a good player before.
worse than mine. And I am not kidding here. I can swear to god that I possess more technical ability than he has. Because his first touch is so bad, it allows defenders to go and risk to win the ball off him. I am disappointed by his performance because I have considered him to be a good player before.
Park. I don't think you can dispute this.
Yeah, I guess so:toast:
-----------(ENGLAND)
---------------Foster-----------------
G Neville-Rio-Woodgate-P Neville-
SWP---Lamps---Carrick---Gerrard
--------------Dyer-------------------
------------Crouch-------------------
------------(SPAIN)
-------------Casillias-----------------
-Ramos--Puyol--Pablo--Capdevila-
--Iniesta----Albelda-Xavi----Silva--
---------Villa----Morientes----------
England: Defensivly, this formation doesnt seem like a good idea. Lampard and Carrick have to share a defensive burden that both of them arent vey good at. This will leave the defensive four exposed. In attack, it seems like England will go back to its old habits with long balls to Crouch who will probably have 5 players to nod it down to. This will be dangerous for Spain IMO.
Spain: They've been having lots of problems in the Qualifiers so you wont know what to expect. Defensively they seem solid, although they will have to deal properly with long balls and set pieces which is their main weakness. In attack, I expect them to break through England's defence at least once tomorrow. Iniesta and Silva v The Neville brothers doesnt look good for England especially with Villa and Morientes in attack.
I expect maybe 3 goals in this match and give Spain more chance of winning it even though England are playing at OT.
---------------Foster-----------------
G Neville-Rio-Woodgate-P Neville-
SWP---Lamps---Carrick---Gerrard
--------------Dyer-------------------
------------Crouch-------------------
------------(SPAIN)
-------------Casillias-----------------
-Ramos--Puyol--Pablo--Capdevila-
--Iniesta----Albelda-Xavi----Silva--
---------Villa----Morientes----------
England: Defensivly, this formation doesnt seem like a good idea. Lampard and Carrick have to share a defensive burden that both of them arent vey good at. This will leave the defensive four exposed. In attack, it seems like England will go back to its old habits with long balls to Crouch who will probably have 5 players to nod it down to. This will be dangerous for Spain IMO.
Spain: They've been having lots of problems in the Qualifiers so you wont know what to expect. Defensively they seem solid, although they will have to deal properly with long balls and set pieces which is their main weakness. In attack, I expect them to break through England's defence at least once tomorrow. Iniesta and Silva v The Neville brothers doesnt look good for England especially with Villa and Morientes in attack.
I expect maybe 3 goals in this match and give Spain more chance of winning it even though England are playing at OT.
(You made a pretty good analysis, so anything I don't reply to, I pretty much agree on).
First of all, no mention of Lee Chun-Soo's free kick? You just don't want to admit that it was a quality goal
Yeah, it could've been 3-0
Yeah that bugs me too. Whenever I watch World Cup games with "once-every-four-years" football fans, they're going nuts over nothing when it's so obvious that there's no threat to either goal. It's times like those that I realise that there really is such thing as "reading the game".
First of all, no mention of Lee Chun-Soo's free kick? You just don't want to admit that it was a quality goal
Yeah, it could've been 3-0
Yeah that bugs me too. Whenever I watch World Cup games with "once-every-four-years" football fans, they're going nuts over nothing when it's so obvious that there's no threat to either goal. It's times like those that I realise that there really is such thing as "reading the game".
Lee Chun-Soo impressed me again. He was really good at first half taking defenders on, and nearly scoring excellent goal. In the second, defenders were beginning read his dribble a bit and stopping him more.
I kind of felt he was going to shoot top left hand corner, judging from the angles, and my friend told me that I am clairvoyant after the goal.
BTW, there were couple of scouters (so it seemed) just behind me. Don't worry about Korean players not impressing scouters, because me and my fried blocked their view real well.
On your manager, I liked his body languaged during the game. He has that aura of charisma with him. If you guys keep faith in the manager and give him some extended time, I think he will do well. BTW, his spelling seems to be impossible, so I decided not to bother.
Oh, I won 100 pounds betting on Korea.
int: - I couldnt resist the favorable odd of 2-1.
