Endless Summer Mercato 2016 (82 Viewers)
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Dont be so sure... If we get 30M for Morata then its like we are paying 20M to get Cavani...
I agree its unlikely and its more likely we will get someone else younger and cheaper...
Tevez will improve us greatly... If theres a chance bringing him back then do it!
As for Saponara - I`d pass he isnt the type of player that can get us that extra quality in our CL campaign!
Theoretically we can get Jesus Berardi and play 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2 with Dybala behind the forwards with Mandzukic and Lapadula (Zaza will be sold to balance the books)
I agree its unlikely and its more likely we will get someone else younger and cheaper...
With Tevez as trequartista 
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We're already getting mediocre berardi why a second mediocre Italian offensive talent
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We're already getting mediocre berardi why a second mediocre Italian offensive talent
As for Saponara - I`d pass he isnt the type of player that can get us that extra quality in our CL campaign!
Theoretically we can get Jesus Berardi and play 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2 with Dybala behind the forwards with Mandzukic and Lapadula (Zaza will be sold to balance the books)
Cavani would be such an overkill in our situation. Our attackers are very good and they score goals/assist quite a lot. If Morata goes I'd just replace him with Berardi who would be a direct Dybala replacement and attack would be good IMO.
Our weakness lies in midfield IMO, we have a lot of players there but many of those are either injury prone or just incapable when it comes to Europe. Our strength always was midfield and we should rebuild it. It should allow us to control games in a better way but also allow us to regain that counter attacking ability we had last season. A player that will allow Allegri to play 4312/4321 is necessary.
We also need a quality RB since Cuadrado is leaving and Licht isn't getting any younger. We should add a backup CB too I guess and we'd be good to go.
Our weakness lies in midfield IMO, we have a lot of players there but many of those are either injury prone or just incapable when it comes to Europe. Our strength always was midfield and we should rebuild it. It should allow us to control games in a better way but also allow us to regain that counter attacking ability we had last season. A player that will allow Allegri to play 4312/4321 is necessary.
We also need a quality RB since Cuadrado is leaving and Licht isn't getting any younger. We should add a backup CB too I guess and we'd be good to go.
Lets say we lose Cuadrado and Morata to their original clubs and we refuse to sell Pogba and Dybala this year.
And we use those 30mil from RM to get Berardi back.
So we are left with the need for an attacking winger, on theory Licht could step in his wing back position and an AM will replace the attacking input that came from Cuads side, while replacing the injured Marchisio's slot.
Chances are that he would be our second and last expensive transfer, close to Berardi's 25-30mil ammount.
If we had to choose just ONE, who whould that be?
Keep in mind that he will have to complement Pogba and Khedira and our subs will be mostly defensive orientated pereyra, asamoah, lemina, padoin, hernanes and a couple of sturaro like youngsters.
And we use those 30mil from RM to get Berardi back.
So we are left with the need for an attacking winger, on theory Licht could step in his wing back position and an AM will replace the attacking input that came from Cuads side, while replacing the injured Marchisio's slot.
Chances are that he would be our second and last expensive transfer, close to Berardi's 25-30mil ammount.
If we had to choose just ONE, who whould that be?
Keep in mind that he will have to complement Pogba and Khedira and our subs will be mostly defensive orientated pereyra, asamoah, lemina, padoin, hernanes and a couple of sturaro like youngsters.
Faster better goalscorer better technique
Cavani will definitely score 20+ goals Mandzukic might but probably wont!
Comparing the two is stupid as Cavani is a 40-50M player while Mandzukic is 20M at best!
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Not enitrely sure about it
Lapadula - I havent seen much of him but in terms of scoring he has a better resume than Zaza...
Cavani will definitely score 20+ goals Mandzukic might but probably wont!
Comparing the two is stupid as Cavani is a 40-50M player while Mandzukic is 20M at best!
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Not enitrely sure about it
Lapadula - I havent seen much of him but in terms of scoring he has a better resume than Zaza...
James could definitely be available. he has been on the bench for 3 matches - even w/ Cristiano Ronaldo available. That is a player I would aggressively pursue - even with a hefty price tag.
If we must return Morata, maybe we could use 30 million dollar sum as a negotiating tool for James. Not only would this give Allegri his TQ, but James can also play in a wide right role.
-----Mandzukic--Dybala--------
-------------James--------------
or if by some miracle we were to also sign Cavani
----Cavani----Dybala----
----------James----------
If we must return Morata, maybe we could use 30 million dollar sum as a negotiating tool for James. Not only would this give Allegri his TQ, but James can also play in a wide right role.
-----Mandzukic--Dybala--------
-------------James--------------
or if by some miracle we were to also sign Cavani
----Cavani----Dybala----
----------James----------
About Cavani vs Mandzukic: I simply don't agree because Cavani is not the same player any more to me. All you do is reading tea leaves. You don't know if he'd score 20+ goals, that's not an argument, just an opinion. I could just say if it wasn't for Mandzukic's injuries he'd have 20 goals this season. His technique and goalscoring ability is definitely underrated if you use the word 'definitely'.
Cavani 2781 minutes (L1 + CL), 17 goals and 4 assists.
Mandzukic 2226 minutes (SA + CL), 12 goals and 5 assists.
I see no justification for spending 40-50m for Cavani here. We have way more hurrying needs.
As for Zaza and Lapadula: you're not sure, you didn't see Lapadula much but you're ready to do the swap? Since when tearing Serie B apart is considered as a better achievement than being reliable for Juve? Zaza blended into the team very well and he does his job very well - why changing things for the sake of it? We want improvement, not revolution.
Cavani 2781 minutes (L1 + CL), 17 goals and 4 assists.
Mandzukic 2226 minutes (SA + CL), 12 goals and 5 assists.
I see no justification for spending 40-50m for Cavani here. We have way more hurrying needs.
As for Zaza and Lapadula: you're not sure, you didn't see Lapadula much but you're ready to do the swap? Since when tearing Serie B apart is considered as a better achievement than being reliable for Juve? Zaza blended into the team very well and he does his job very well - why changing things for the sake of it? We want improvement, not revolution.
Yeah, it may be redundant. Having a combo of Morata/Mandzukic was good because of the option of putting on a more target-man type striker, or a counter-attack striker. It could be argued that Cavani is a bit of a hybrid due to the fact that he actually is quite quick.
Personally, if we sell Morata though, it is probably better to replace him with a similar player - ie: a quicker striker, but still a CF...ie: Embolo or Lacazette, especially since those two would probably be more inexpensive than Cavani.
I would rather see the mercato efforts focused on fixing weaker positions, such as right back, attacking midfielder, or wide attacker. James, Isco, Pastore, Oscar, Danilo would be a few examples.
Personally, if we sell Morata though, it is probably better to replace him with a similar player - ie: a quicker striker, but still a CF...ie: Embolo or Lacazette, especially since those two would probably be more inexpensive than Cavani.
I would rather see the mercato efforts focused on fixing weaker positions, such as right back, attacking midfielder, or wide attacker. James, Isco, Pastore, Oscar, Danilo would be a few examples.
That's the whole point I'm trying to make. Cavani is still very good but in financial terms getting him would such a waste. Dybala is working very well with Mandzukic, why destroying this?
I'm a fan of Lacazette but imagine dealing with Aulas, he's a true pain in the ass, we'd have to spend quite a lot too. In all honesty I'd replace Morata with Berardi, who would be a direct replacement for Dybala, while Zaza would be a backup for Mandzukic. It's obvious we'd prefer to keep Morata but I'm saying this with an assumption he leaves.
Rightback and AM have to be quality, otherwise it makes no sense to sign anyone.
I'm a fan of Lacazette but imagine dealing with Aulas, he's a true pain in the ass, we'd have to spend quite a lot too. In all honesty I'd replace Morata with Berardi, who would be a direct replacement for Dybala, while Zaza would be a backup for Mandzukic. It's obvious we'd prefer to keep Morata but I'm saying this with an assumption he leaves.
Rightback and AM have to be quality, otherwise it makes no sense to sign anyone.
James could definitely be available. he has been on the bench for 3 matches - even w/ Cristiano Ronaldo available. That is a player I would aggressively pursue - even with a hefty price tag.
If we must return Morata, maybe we could use 30 million dollar sum as a negotiating tool for James. Not only would this give Allegri his TQ, but James can also play in a wide right role.
-----Mandzukic--Dybala--------
-------------James--------------
or if by some miracle we were to also sign Cavani
----Cavani----Dybala----
----------James----------
If we must return Morata, maybe we could use 30 million dollar sum as a negotiating tool for James. Not only would this give Allegri his TQ, but James can also play in a wide right role.
-----Mandzukic--Dybala--------
-------------James--------------
or if by some miracle we were to also sign Cavani
----Cavani----Dybala----
----------James----------
Cavani is a much better player and I find it ridiculous to even argue about it..
As for Zaza vs Lapadula - Of course Zaza is the better player for now as he is also much more proven... BUT 25M could really help boost our spending spree and since Zaza isnt exactly a starter and so isnt Lapadula we are talking about a 4th forward in line! I rather we spend money on starters than on a 4th choice especially if we can get someone who is more of a scorer than him
I agree Serie B is not Serie A and Pescara isnt Juve but take Zaza past and compare it Lapadula is more promising when we are talking goal wise!
Selling Zaza and getting Lapadula gets you 15M to spend on a 1st choice CF SS AM CM DM WR WL or whatever position you look for which is much more important than a 4th choice!
As for Zaza vs Lapadula - Of course Zaza is the better player for now as he is also much more proven... BUT 25M could really help boost our spending spree and since Zaza isnt exactly a starter and so isnt Lapadula we are talking about a 4th forward in line! I rather we spend money on starters than on a 4th choice especially if we can get someone who is more of a scorer than him
I agree Serie B is not Serie A and Pescara isnt Juve but take Zaza past and compare it Lapadula is more promising when we are talking goal wise!
Selling Zaza and getting Lapadula gets you 15M to spend on a 1st choice CF SS AM CM DM WR WL or whatever position you look for which is much more important than a 4th choice!
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