Egypt: from 2011 demonstrations to today (13 Viewers)
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Only good thing in all of this, everyone showed their true nature.
Here is the difference between a human beign and something else i can't describe.
Letter from Dr Mohamed Beltaji to his martyred daughter
Below is a translation of the original letter:
My beloved daughter and dignified teacher Asma al-Beltaji; I do not say goodbye to you; I say tomorrow we shall meet again.
You have lived with your head held high, rebellious against tyranny and shackles and loving freedom. You have lived as a silent seeker of new horizons to rebuild this nation to assume its place among civilizations.
You never occupied yourself with what preoccupies those of your age. Even though traditional studies failed to fulfil your aspirations and interest; you have always been the first in your class.
I have not had enough of your precious company in this short life, especially that my time did not allow me to enjoy your companionship. The last time we sat together at Rabaa Al Adawiya square you asked me "even when you are with us you are busy" and I told you "it seems that this life will not be enough to enjoy each other's company so I pray to God that we enjoy our companionship in paradise."
Two nights before you were murdered I saw you in my dream in a white wedding dress and you were an icon of beauty. When you lay next to me I asked you "Is it your wedding night?" You answered, "It is in the noon not the evening". When they told me you were murdered on Wednesday afternoon I understood what you meant and I knew God had accepted your soul as a martyr. You strengthened my belief that we are on the truth and our enemy is on falsehood.
It caused me severe pain not to be at your last farewell and see you for the last time; not to kiss your forehead; and not be honoured to lead your funeral prayer. I swear to God, my darling I was not afraid for my life or from an unjust prison, but I wanted to carry the message you scarified your soul for; to complete the revolution, to win and achieve its objectives.
Your soul has been elevated with your head held high resisting the tyrants. The treacherous bullets have hit you in the chest. What spectacularly determined and pure soul. I am confident that you were honest to God and He has chosen you among us to honour you with sacrifice.
Finally, my beloved daughter and dignified teacher:
I do not say goodbye, but I say farewell. We shall meet soon with our beloved Prophet and his companions in Heaven where our wish to enjoy each other's company and our loved ones' company will come true.
http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/ne...m-dr-mohamed-beltaji-to-his-martyred-daughter
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Here is the difference between a human beign and something else i can't describe.
Letter from Dr Mohamed Beltaji to his martyred daughter
Below is a translation of the original letter:
My beloved daughter and dignified teacher Asma al-Beltaji; I do not say goodbye to you; I say tomorrow we shall meet again.
You have lived with your head held high, rebellious against tyranny and shackles and loving freedom. You have lived as a silent seeker of new horizons to rebuild this nation to assume its place among civilizations.
You never occupied yourself with what preoccupies those of your age. Even though traditional studies failed to fulfil your aspirations and interest; you have always been the first in your class.
I have not had enough of your precious company in this short life, especially that my time did not allow me to enjoy your companionship. The last time we sat together at Rabaa Al Adawiya square you asked me "even when you are with us you are busy" and I told you "it seems that this life will not be enough to enjoy each other's company so I pray to God that we enjoy our companionship in paradise."
Two nights before you were murdered I saw you in my dream in a white wedding dress and you were an icon of beauty. When you lay next to me I asked you "Is it your wedding night?" You answered, "It is in the noon not the evening". When they told me you were murdered on Wednesday afternoon I understood what you meant and I knew God had accepted your soul as a martyr. You strengthened my belief that we are on the truth and our enemy is on falsehood.
It caused me severe pain not to be at your last farewell and see you for the last time; not to kiss your forehead; and not be honoured to lead your funeral prayer. I swear to God, my darling I was not afraid for my life or from an unjust prison, but I wanted to carry the message you scarified your soul for; to complete the revolution, to win and achieve its objectives.
Your soul has been elevated with your head held high resisting the tyrants. The treacherous bullets have hit you in the chest. What spectacularly determined and pure soul. I am confident that you were honest to God and He has chosen you among us to honour you with sacrifice.
Finally, my beloved daughter and dignified teacher:
I do not say goodbye, but I say farewell. We shall meet soon with our beloved Prophet and his companions in Heaven where our wish to enjoy each other's company and our loved ones' company will come true.
http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/ne...m-dr-mohamed-beltaji-to-his-martyred-daughter
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When i say something you don't like i am the bigot, idiot, extremist, radical(not that i have said something half bad as this) but when it is your fella say something like this, he didn't mean it. 
Who gave him right to be angry anyway? I have lost a sister but he is the one vomitting hate after siding with murderer.
Who gave him right to be angry anyway? I have lost a sister but he is the one vomitting hate after siding with murderer.
When i say something you don't like i am the bigot, idiot, extremist, radical(not that i have said something half bad as this) but when it is your fella say something like this, he didn't mean it.
Who gave him right to be angry anyway? I have lost a sister but he is the one vomitting hate after siding with murderer.
Who gave him right to be angry anyway? I have lost a sister but he is the one vomitting hate after siding with murderer.
I think o have every right to care because it's my country any human being would do the same had this'd happened to his country.
One last point, Turk you have issues to address regarding hearing what people who don't belong to your faith have to say... Make no mistake this forum is blessed with good people who really care and if you don't believe in this check the early pages of this very thread. People like swag, Abel, and hoori to name just a few of the many who showed me serious and honest care and concern don't have anything against my ethnicity, my color, or faith but do so because of there good nature and that luckily doesn't come with a religious tag it comes from there pure inner intentions. Don't think the world is out to get us, it's us who failed when we started categorizing people according to faith, and developed this paranoia that they want the worse for us. As a Muslim your main role is to set a good example for others and even if they disagree with your beliefs you never let this cloud the human nature god put in you.
You really are something. As I see it, you define yourself as a muslim and your heritage is Islam. Is it wrong? Maybe not, but it's something I will never understand personally (and yes, Denmark is a non secular country).
The problem is that you've chosen some extremist views (you and Breivik probably have a lot in common).
Am I wrong about you? Then why are you calling people, who disagrees with you, Muslim haters? Why do you keep talking about Muslim and non Muslims instead of looking at the individual?
The problem is that you've chosen some extremist views (you and Breivik probably have a lot in common).
Am I wrong about you? Then why are you calling people, who disagrees with you, Muslim haters? Why do you keep talking about Muslim and non Muslims instead of looking at the individual?
Before accusing someone for blinded by politics, you should realize you're no way less blinded than them. Not even %1 of the protesters were armed and i can understand the psychology of those %1. Even most peaceful living being, human or animal, when cornered and unable to find a way out, will strike no matter how big is enemy, without thinking about consequences. Not only you robbed them their right to vote, you also robbed them their democratic right to raise voice against it. For a second try to understand. What would happen the guy you voted for getting arrested by Islamist head of army and when you go down to streets to protest with your beloved ones you're witnessing his/her death? Even if some of them were armed, this doesn't give you right to kill people randomly, doesn't justify killing nearly 2000. You mentioned Gezi protest. First of all nature of these two protests are different. One aimed the topple the elected government, other were protesting to defend their right to vote. Secondly, not a single protester killed purposely, 5 died accidentally, car crash, a policemen shot a protestor in head while shooting into air because a stone hit him(there is video evidence), only one of them died 20 days after getting beaten by 4 civilians and a police in backstreet. All of them arrested. How many of your 'security forces' faced justice after killing 2000?
You had chance to reason with Muslim Brotherhood but instead you tried to exterminate them. By doing so, you have destroyed the buffer zone between you and the people you call 'terrorists'. Are you ignorant enough to hope finish off a mass movement like this by killing and arresting? and i am the one who is supposed to be ignorant here.
Dirty history of coup d'etat in this geography tells us one thing; None of them acted without permission of foreign powers and none of them acted for the country but for the benefits of their masters. They were always 'stabilizers' of the region. Insurance of west dominion. Whenever things seemed as getting out of hand, so called armies came out of their barracks to keep people in control. Maybe it will take years for you to understand but you will regret the day you supported them.
I don't categorize people. As in one of my posts, i have said i am excluding those non-muslims who showed big heart in this case. I am posting articles of a non-muslim Robert Fisk. Once i have posted an article from an Armenian, you have accused of him being interloper. They are ok if they are with you but when they disagree, they are interlopers and this is an internal matter. You must accept the fact, most of the members here were almost always in sarcastic tone, when they disagree with me they replied with stupid jokes and insults. Even some like Martin acted like child and joined their mockery. Most of them couldn't pass the humanity test. Being a Muslim was not necessary to show sympathy for victims, just being a human was enough.
You had chance to reason with Muslim Brotherhood but instead you tried to exterminate them. By doing so, you have destroyed the buffer zone between you and the people you call 'terrorists'. Are you ignorant enough to hope finish off a mass movement like this by killing and arresting? and i am the one who is supposed to be ignorant here.
Dirty history of coup d'etat in this geography tells us one thing; None of them acted without permission of foreign powers and none of them acted for the country but for the benefits of their masters. They were always 'stabilizers' of the region. Insurance of west dominion. Whenever things seemed as getting out of hand, so called armies came out of their barracks to keep people in control. Maybe it will take years for you to understand but you will regret the day you supported them.
I don't categorize people. As in one of my posts, i have said i am excluding those non-muslims who showed big heart in this case. I am posting articles of a non-muslim Robert Fisk. Once i have posted an article from an Armenian, you have accused of him being interloper. They are ok if they are with you but when they disagree, they are interlopers and this is an internal matter. You must accept the fact, most of the members here were almost always in sarcastic tone, when they disagree with me they replied with stupid jokes and insults. Even some like Martin acted like child and joined their mockery. Most of them couldn't pass the humanity test. Being a Muslim was not necessary to show sympathy for victims, just being a human was enough.
Turk, I'll leave the situation in Egypt behind for a moment, so I want you to excuse me for the off topic talk.
But did you wonder why lots of those who argue with you in this thread are actually people who consider themselves Muslim? And why, 50 years ago, the number of Muslims who'd disagree with you would have been much smaller than today's number?
I assume that you'll find the reason in the globalization, and in some plot by the "masters" to weaken the Muslim tissue, by brainwashing some lost Muslims into thinking that the bad is actually progressive. But don't you, ever for a second, accept as a possibility the fact that these same people see you as a regressive force, whose understanding of the world is the reason why they, their families and their countries can't develop? You are actually a personification of their problems, of the things that forced them to immigrate, the things that push them and their countries back in some past century, and that's why it is them that disagree with you the most. Not me, Martin or Nzoric, but them. Then you call them non-Muslims, and you create an even bigger gap between you and them, directly contributing to the weakening of Islam. I know for a fact that all of them will be angry and deeply insulted if I make fun of Islam. They are definitely Muslim. So try to get closer to them and be more open minded to their ideas and vision of the future. That's how You'll become much stronger.
But did you wonder why lots of those who argue with you in this thread are actually people who consider themselves Muslim? And why, 50 years ago, the number of Muslims who'd disagree with you would have been much smaller than today's number?
I assume that you'll find the reason in the globalization, and in some plot by the "masters" to weaken the Muslim tissue, by brainwashing some lost Muslims into thinking that the bad is actually progressive. But don't you, ever for a second, accept as a possibility the fact that these same people see you as a regressive force, whose understanding of the world is the reason why they, their families and their countries can't develop? You are actually a personification of their problems, of the things that forced them to immigrate, the things that push them and their countries back in some past century, and that's why it is them that disagree with you the most. Not me, Martin or Nzoric, but them. Then you call them non-Muslims, and you create an even bigger gap between you and them, directly contributing to the weakening of Islam. I know for a fact that all of them will be angry and deeply insulted if I make fun of Islam. They are definitely Muslim. So try to get closer to them and be more open minded to their ideas and vision of the future. That's how You'll become much stronger.
It was Mubarak, Assad, Saddam, Kaddafi prevented their countries from development. Last time i checked none of them were Islamist. In last 10 years Türkiye developed more than it did in past 80 years. 
Those 'masters' would only like to have an economical development in these countries for two reasons. To sell more of their stuff with higher price and with full stomach, none will think about an uprising.
As for Muslims disagree with me
Actually you would see most of the Muslims agreeing with me but like in my country, most of them are not using internet. They are the silent majority. If you check the polls in social media before elections, you would think CHP gonna win it with %70. Inside story is different.
West supported the thing called Arab spring in the beginning but when they realized the will of people are Islamist parties, they turned against it. That's why Assad survived this long because US now know, it will be another Islamic government elected by Syrians after Assad is gone.
Those 'masters' would only like to have an economical development in these countries for two reasons. To sell more of their stuff with higher price and with full stomach, none will think about an uprising.
As for Muslims disagree with me
Actually you would see most of the Muslims agreeing with me but like in my country, most of them are not using internet. They are the silent majority. If you check the polls in social media before elections, you would think CHP gonna win it with %70. Inside story is different.
West supported the thing called Arab spring in the beginning but when they realized the will of people are Islamist parties, they turned against it. That's why Assad survived this long because US now know, it will be another Islamic government elected by Syrians after Assad is gone.
I'ts way off-topic but the This post disturb me greatly so I will say it here once and we can take it to another thread if you want to debate it further.
This is a quote from our decleration of independence:
Our arab minority by law have every right as any other citizen, Is there a level of discrimination in israel? yes there is unfortunately and we can still do alot in that regard as a country to improve that aspect but be sincere for a moment, In what country minoritys don't suffer from discrimination on some level?
One more fun fact, do you know that more then 50% of Israeli-Arabs that vote are voting for non-arab partys? what you make of that?
And from our "book" that you probably know nothing about:
And unlike yourself, we understand that some elements of our religion are outdated, you won't find a single rabi in israel that advocates slavery (and even slavery then wasn;t the same as the modern concept, it was with pay and for a limited time) .And Rape?
one of the worst things a jew can do according to the bible is sleep with a goy, so rape them? you can do better dude
Beside all that our country was founded not by following a devine mandate or a some ancient idea about a "promised land" but out of necessity, our "founding fathers" as you put it were all very secular men, most of them came from eastern europe which was very secular at the time and after the holocaust they saw it as their mission to found a safe country for jews to live in, if it wasn't for the holocaust jews would have still been mostly religious and they wouldn't have founded this country as the thora clearly says that only when the Messiah comes our pepole will be back to that "promised land".
I live here, you trying to sell israel as a fundamentalist country simply has no hold in reality, we might be called many names and some of them might even be right to some extants but fundamentalist is very far from it, we don't burn mosques or churchs like your friends in the MB
This is a quote from our decleration of independence:
Our arab minority by law have every right as any other citizen, Is there a level of discrimination in israel? yes there is unfortunately and we can still do alot in that regard as a country to improve that aspect but be sincere for a moment, In what country minoritys don't suffer from discrimination on some level?
One more fun fact, do you know that more then 50% of Israeli-Arabs that vote are voting for non-arab partys? what you make of that?
And from our "book" that you probably know nothing about:
And unlike yourself, we understand that some elements of our religion are outdated, you won't find a single rabi in israel that advocates slavery (and even slavery then wasn;t the same as the modern concept, it was with pay and for a limited time) .And Rape?
one of the worst things a jew can do according to the bible is sleep with a goy, so rape them? you can do better dudeBeside all that our country was founded not by following a devine mandate or a some ancient idea about a "promised land" but out of necessity, our "founding fathers" as you put it were all very secular men, most of them came from eastern europe which was very secular at the time and after the holocaust they saw it as their mission to found a safe country for jews to live in, if it wasn't for the holocaust jews would have still been mostly religious and they wouldn't have founded this country as the thora clearly says that only when the Messiah comes our pepole will be back to that "promised land".
I live here, you trying to sell israel as a fundamentalist country simply has no hold in reality, we might be called many names and some of them might even be right to some extants but fundamentalist is very far from it, we don't burn mosques or churchs like your friends in the MB
I'ts way off-topic but the This post disturb me greatly so I will say it here once and we can take it to another thread if you want to debate it further.
This is a quote from our decleration of independence:
Our arab minority by law have every right as any other citizen, Is there a level of discrimination in israel? yes there is unfortunately and we can still do alot in that regard as a country to improve that aspect but be sincere for a moment, In what country minoritys don't suffer from discrimination on some level?
One more fun fact, do you know that more then 50% of Israeli-Arabs that vote are voting for non-arab partys? what you make of that?
And from our "book" that you probably know nothing about:
And unlike yourself, we understand that some elements of our religion are outdated, you won't find a single rabi in israel that advocates slavery (and even slavery then wasn;t the same as the modern concept, it was with pay and for a limited time) .And Rape? one of the worst things a jew can do according to the bible is sleep with a goy, so rape them? you can do better dude
Beside all that our country was founded not by following a devine mandate or a some ancient idea about a "promised land" but out of necessity, our "founding fathers" as you put it were all very secular men, most of them came from eastern europe which was very secular at the time and after the holocaust they saw it as their mission to found a safe country for jews to live in, if it wasn't for the holocaust jews would have still been mostly religious and they wouldn't have founded this country as the thora clearly says that only when the Messiah comes our pepole will be back to that "promised land".
I live here, you trying to sell israel as a fundamentalist country simply has no hold in reality, we might be called many names and some of them might even be right to some extants but fundamentalist is very far from it, we don't burn mosques or churchs like your friends in the MB
This is a quote from our decleration of independence:
Our arab minority by law have every right as any other citizen, Is there a level of discrimination in israel? yes there is unfortunately and we can still do alot in that regard as a country to improve that aspect but be sincere for a moment, In what country minoritys don't suffer from discrimination on some level?
One more fun fact, do you know that more then 50% of Israeli-Arabs that vote are voting for non-arab partys? what you make of that?
And from our "book" that you probably know nothing about:
And unlike yourself, we understand that some elements of our religion are outdated, you won't find a single rabi in israel that advocates slavery (and even slavery then wasn;t the same as the modern concept, it was with pay and for a limited time) .And Rape?
one of the worst things a jew can do according to the bible is sleep with a goy, so rape them? you can do better dudeBeside all that our country was founded not by following a devine mandate or a some ancient idea about a "promised land" but out of necessity, our "founding fathers" as you put it were all very secular men, most of them came from eastern europe which was very secular at the time and after the holocaust they saw it as their mission to found a safe country for jews to live in, if it wasn't for the holocaust jews would have still been mostly religious and they wouldn't have founded this country as the thora clearly says that only when the Messiah comes our pepole will be back to that "promised land".
I live here, you trying to sell israel as a fundamentalist country simply has no hold in reality, we might be called many names and some of them might even be right to some extants but fundamentalist is very far from it, we don't burn mosques or churchs like your friends in the MB
I don't think you can gather a statistic from a forum based on anti Turk Muslim members and come to a conclusion that easily. I can't say I always agree with Turk but being a Muslim myself there is a lot of truth in what he says. Unfortunately it is and will always come down to the whose right. This can't be decided on a forum, face, mosques or in parliaments and this is why a lot of this discussion I find futile. If you don't agree then just move, to you is yours and to me is mine. However I also understand the other side of the coin where it's important that the second side of the story is portrayed to those who are ignorant to it. But if Noone wants to listen and are stuck up then best save yourself or talk to someone who is either open minded or actually cares. Deaf, dumb and blind, need I say more.