Nobody is blocking their way if they want to return. How can we encourage them? Will Greek and Bulgarians and Serbians and Israeli encourage the Muslims to come back to their homeland as well?
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Nobody is blocking their way if they want to return. How can we encourage them? Will Greek and Bulgarians and Serbians and Israeli encourage the Muslims to come back to their homeland as well?
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One cannot be a consistent muslim and be a secularist true. One cannot be a consistent christian or muslim and a supporter of gay rights.
But who cares about consistency? they all think of themselves as muslims and see their identity as Islamic. Sufism is a subset of Islam,Sunniism and Shiism (of all types) too no matter how unorthodox their beliefs are.
Thinking of non-Islamists as non muslims is equivalent to catholics considering protestants as non-christian.
But who cares about consistency? they all think of themselves as muslims and see their identity as Islamic. Sufism is a subset of Islam,Sunniism and Shiism (of all types) too no matter how unorthodox their beliefs are.
Thinking of non-Islamists as non muslims is equivalent to catholics considering protestants as non-christian.
It would take a huge amount of compromise, as this would shift geopolitical influence but it's something that needs to happen in the future, especially the Assyrian and Armenian question. Still, I think it's great that some Turkish intellectuals are speaking out on these subjects nowadays.
Edit : Sorry for going off-topic.
Edit : Sorry for going off-topic.
Because the secular camp had too many candidates running. Amr Moussa, Hamdeen, Shafick, Abu Fotooh isn't exactly Islamist either he had mixed votes.
Btw the secular camp isnt exactly liberal or secular either .. they are just more moderate conservatives. No one in egypt is for gay rights, freedom of speech (against religion for instance), sexual freedom (you get arrested if you are caught having sex outside of marriage), religious freedom (apostates get sent to prison).
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Or Salafis considering MB people non-muslims. Salafis are the ones that stick the most to the original belief system. I doubt the brotherhood would legalize slavery or bring back medieval punishments like hand cutting and flogging and stoning.
Btw the secular camp isnt exactly liberal or secular either .. they are just more moderate conservatives. No one in egypt is for gay rights, freedom of speech (against religion for instance), sexual freedom (you get arrested if you are caught having sex outside of marriage), religious freedom (apostates get sent to prison).
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Or Salafis considering MB people non-muslims. Salafis are the ones that stick the most to the original belief system. I doubt the brotherhood would legalize slavery or bring back medieval punishments like hand cutting and flogging and stoning.
Last autumn I talked to one Bosnian academic, who considered himself a Muslim. He told me that he's a self proclaimed Muslim, but he knows that he's not doing even 5% of the things a Muslim must do. According to him, if we go by the book, only 1 in a million of the self-proclaimed Muslims is a Muslim.
So, if one isn't a Muslim, only because he wants a secularist government, then one can not be a Muslim if he's not doing even 1 single thing of all the things the Muslims MUST do.
So, if one isn't a Muslim, only because he wants a secularist government, then one can not be a Muslim if he's not doing even 1 single thing of all the things the Muslims MUST do.
It's not the same thing. Not doing what Islam told you to do doesn't make a you non-muslim but a sinner as long as you accept it.
For example;
drinking alcohol while accepting it is haram makes you sinner
saying alcohol is not haram makes you non-muslim
not fasting = sinner, there is no fasting = non-muslim
For example;
drinking alcohol while accepting it is haram makes you sinner
saying alcohol is not haram makes you non-muslim
not fasting = sinner, there is no fasting = non-muslim
I haven't directly accused him of being non-Muslim, did I? But it requires deep ignorance in religious matters to believe Islam and laicism can co-exist. He once said he hates nothing more than MB, calling them beardies(similiarity between kemalist jargon and his). Hates nothing more than MB as if his country run out of enemies? And worst of all, celebrating the death of a 17 years old girl? Islam is a religion not only adjust individual's life but also social life and state government. To be a Muslim you must accept it as a whole. There is no such a thing as ''i like this part of Islam but i don't like this part''. A Muslim simply can't replace Islamic law with man made laws. Even if he can't do anything about, living in a secular state, he has to condemn it in his heart.
In this matter it is an obvious struggle between Muslim and non-Muslims. There is no other way put it. Is it really difficult to understand? When you get confused just look at who is taking sides with whom carefully. Who are celebrating the coup in Egypt?
In this matter it is an obvious struggle between Muslim and non-Muslims. There is no other way put it. Is it really difficult to understand? When you get confused just look at who is taking sides with whom carefully. Who are celebrating the coup in Egypt?
Nope. A promise is a promise.
Plus, I go to Istanbul quite often. I need him to find some stuff for me and for getting info
And I really don't want to face the angry Turk.
Plus, I go to Istanbul quite often. I need him to find some stuff for me and for getting info
And I really don't want to face the angry Turk.
He comes across as a dangerous man. I know you say he's a gentle giant in real life, and I'll take your word for it, but he scares me TBH.
Again a Salafi muslim would consider you and your brotherhood non-muslim. I'll give you a test:
Do you believe Slavery should be legal?
Do you believe apostates should be executed if they do not repent?
Do you believe homosexuals should be executed?
Do you believe Marriage should be legal regardless of the age of the wife as long as she has bled?
Do you believe married adulterers should be stoned to death?
Do you believe unmarried adulterers should be flogged?
Do you believe that Democracy should be replaced with a monarch like Caliphate system?
Do you believe that Christians and Jews in Turkey should not be allowed to run for high offices nor join the military and pay a Jizya?
Do you believe that people who aren't muslim, christian or Jewish should not be allowed to live in Turkey?
Do you believe that if Turkey were to go to war with a european country, its okay to take young women and young men as slaves as loot?
Answer the questions with yes or no and why if its no.
If you answer all yes then I would consider you a muslim by your own standards.
Do you believe Slavery should be legal?
Do you believe apostates should be executed if they do not repent?
Do you believe homosexuals should be executed?
Do you believe Marriage should be legal regardless of the age of the wife as long as she has bled?
Do you believe married adulterers should be stoned to death?
Do you believe unmarried adulterers should be flogged?
Do you believe that Democracy should be replaced with a monarch like Caliphate system?
Do you believe that Christians and Jews in Turkey should not be allowed to run for high offices nor join the military and pay a Jizya?
Do you believe that people who aren't muslim, christian or Jewish should not be allowed to live in Turkey?
Do you believe that if Turkey were to go to war with a european country, its okay to take young women and young men as slaves as loot?
Answer the questions with yes or no and why if its no.
If you answer all yes then I would consider you a muslim by your own standards.