Egypt: from 2011 demonstrations to today (19 Viewers)

[Yamen]

I give you this ( A quick guide to Tahrir Square)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-12434787

 

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[ReBeL]

 

[ReBeL]

Some sources say that the Saudi dictator has sent envoys to Mubarak to invite him to go to Mecca for Umrah in the last few days, and Mubarak refused to leave for any reason.

Here is one of the sources in Arabic
http://www.alarabonline.org/index.asp?fname=\2011\02\02-24\969.htm&dismode=cx&ts=24-2-2011 9:12:35

 

[ReBeL]

Breaking news: The army revelaed its dirty face. It forced people tonight to leave Tahrir square. There are news about injuries.

 

[Bisco]

yup just read this in al-arrabiya headlines but i have no idea about the details just yet. i think we will have to wait till the morning to find out more bec so far there are no reactions whats so ever about this not even from the military. i know for fact they told them we got yr message regarding the complete removal of the new government so please leave but people opted not too and so they stayed and sat in the square.

 

[Zé Tahir]

You can't keep occupying a road with no permit to demonstrate. Doing it to show civil disobedience to Mubarak is one thing but now I can understand the authorities wanting to clear the road.

Reb, I think you have something personal against Egypt

 

[Bisco]

You can't keep occupying a road with no permit to demonstrate. Doing it to show civil disobedience to Mubarak is one thing but now I can understand the authorities wanting to clear the road.

Reb, I think you have something personal against Egypt

nope i understand reb's point and why he feels this way and its bec he fears we will go back to square one. he has a point and there are a lot of people who share the same point of view. there are people who say there is an anti -revolution involving the previous NDP which are coming back to the scene but under a different name. althought the military acknowledged these worries and concerns and also went as far as too assure the people this wont happen some people still remain skeptic. thats not the majority though bec as i've explained before the people trust the military and also i have to be honest the military is yet to do sth to make me doubt them.

the tone in this country has changed drastically, and if u read any of the announcements the military releases u will realize that they appreciate the people a great deal, and want the best for them regardless of how tough the current situation is. they r with the people step by step and they are fast to respond to anything thrown at them. in the same time people need to understand that the military right not is being over stretched. apart from maintaining order in egypt, they are currently also engaged in evacuating the egyptains stuck in libya ( let me tell u that for the first time we feel we r worth sth!!! bec u should see how they contact the peopel stuck there and try everything to make sure they make it back safely sth we never witnessed during mubarak's era) and off course they have to do there main function which is protect the boarders of egypt.

now in my opinion i think the strikes need to stop and the people get back to rebuilding bec econmically this is having a huge toll on us. they know what we want, they did a huge chunk of demands, and are still doing a lot of the things people demanded but we need the current government to run things so they can take us all the way to septmeber where we will have the elections and after that it goes the way we want. so the people need to be a bit patient bec the changes wont happen over night, we r starting from zero as a nation. things should get way better once the constitution is in place and things are back to run as normal

i feel these strikes are slowing us down to be honest. i think the best option is for a board to be made involving all the jan 25 people and they monitor the situation and the progress being made. the army already knows people will not accept anything and once they make a mistake they know the people will all go down to the streets again.

 

[Bisco]

The above post is not fact, i might be wrong all the way but thats how i feel about all this its just my personal opinion about all this. naggar, wahdan, hist, reb, and any one who is keeping an eye on the events might have a different opinion bec there are things i might not be aware of or i might understand certain things in a wrong way. the army did come out and explain what heikel accused them of doing regarding being in touch with mubarak and also the military is yet to put certain indivuals who were very close to mubarak on trail ( they put a lot of them on trail but there are people like safwat el sherif who are sill free and people want them to be trailed in public ) we r yet to see what happens to them and i agree these too should be trailed. i wont say Mubarak ( not that the bastard should'nt be in fact he should be the first to be trailed) bec i know there was an agreement of some sort or else he would'nt have left i,e he would've went ghadaffi style bec the military were'nt going to over throw him.

 

[Zé Tahir]

nope i understand reb's point and why he feels this way and its bec he fears we will go back to square one. he has a point and there are a lot of people who share the same point of view. there are people who say there is an anti -revolution involving the previous NDP which are coming back to the scene but under a different name. althought the military acknowledged these worries and concerns and also went as far as too assure the people this wont happen some people still remain skeptic. thats not the majority though bec as i've explained before the people trust the military and also i have to be honest the military is yet to do sth to make me doubt them.

the tone in this country has changed drastically, and if u read any of the announcements the military releases u will realize that they appreciate the people a great deal, and want the best for them regardless of how tough the current situation is. they r with the people step by step and they are fast to respond to anything thrown at them. in the same time people need to understand that the military right not is being over stretched. apart from maintaining order in egypt, they are currently also engaged in evacuating the egyptains stuck in libya ( let me tell u that for the first time we feel we r worth sth!!! bec u should see how they contact the peopel stuck there and try everything to make sure they make it back safely sth we never witnessed during mubarak's era) and off course they have to do there main function which is protect the boarders of egypt.

now in my opinion i think the strikes need to stop and the people get back to rebuilding bec econmically this is having a huge toll on us. they know what we want, they did a huge chunk of demands, and are still doing a lot of the things people demanded but we need the current government to run things so they can take us all the way to septmeber where we will have the elections and after that it goes the way we want. so the people need to be a bit patient bec the changes wont happen over night, we r starting from zero as a nation. things should get way better once the constitution is in place and things are back to run as normal

i feel these strikes are slowing us down to be honest. i think the best option is for a board to be made involving all the jan 25 people and they monitor the situation and the progress being made. the army already knows people will not accept anything and once they make a mistake they know the people will all go down to the streets again.

Top post Ahmed I know what Reb meant and I was exaggerating a bit but Reb has that tone "I told you so!" I'm sure he has his reasons and fears about things returning to the way they were and I also sense that there is this feeling among some that this is too good to be true...so it's probably not true. I can understand that. Though I think these revolutions were unprecedented and we need to give these changes a chance before we start writing them off.

 

[Bisco]

the army's response to last night: it basically says that some of the people there started throwing stones at the military and started abusing the soliders thats why they had to respond. they still insist on being with the people and that they have to work together to make it thru the army and the people. it also goes on to telling the people that there are people trying to over take the revolution with a totally different view so people need to be with the army at all times so they can smoke them out.

 

[ReBeL]

Ze,

I'm just worried that the sacrifices of the revolution would go without achieving anything. I have nothing against Egypt.

 

[ReBeL]

The greater point, however, which comes as no surprise to most involved in this revolution, is that the army is no friend of the people. This institution is as much a part of the regime as any other, representing not just the same entrenched military-political elite that have ruled Egypt for 60 years, but also enormous and substantial business interests that benefit from preferential treatment and systemic corruption. There has been little doubt in anyone’s mind that the army’s preference would be to maintain most of the country’s infrastructure (police and political) just as it was before, while placating the people telling them that it was their ally and guardian. And yet, and yet, we see the same violence directed at citizens here that we have seen in the hands of police (and only a day after a police officer shot a microbus driver during a verbal argument in the street). The army has shown its bloody hand, and the only hope is that the news of this will spread fast enough that people can realize their complicity and duplicity before any more blood need be spilled.

This remains a regime and a system which has been trained and taught to regard people as a threat to their continued privilege and prosperity, who in the name of stability create chaos, pain and anxiety for anyone who would seek to be present in public, to voice an opinion or seek after their long-lost rights. Whatever expectations the Egyptian people may have had from the army, and whatever the army may have done by way of protecting civilians during the early weeks of protest (as they did somewhat, but not enough) should be meaningless now. Now in the seat of power, they display the same callous paternalism and heavy hand that the old figureheads of the regime did, and whether this is their desire or this is simply the machine controlling its operator, serious structural and institutional change is the only possible acceptable outcome.

http://www.occupiedlondon.org/cairo/?p=355

 

[ReBeL]

Mubarak was forwarding all the grants given to Alexandria library to his mother's bank account

Is the bitch still alive?

Here are the news in Arabic

http://dostor.org/crime/11/february/27/37154

 

[Bisco]

Mubarak was forwarding all the grants given to Alexandria library to his mother's bank account

Is the bitch still alive?

Here are the news in Arabic

http://dostor.org/crime/11/february/27/37154

to suzy bro not his mum i just heard it in a report by al-arabyaa

 

[ReBeL]

to suzy bro not his mum i just heard it in a report by al-arabyaa

In the link I posted, it is written that the account was for his mother, but his wife used to withdraw from it.

 

[ReBeL]

Anyway, today the public prosecutor has issued a travel ban on Mubarak and his family.

 

[Bisco]

Anyway, today the public prosecutor has issued a travel ban on Mubarak and his family.

yup finally!!! the numbers the people are releasing are insane proves this country is shit rich but we never see a dime

 

[Bisco]

In the link I posted, it is written that the account was for his mother, but his wife used to withdraw from it.

suzy had money from where no one knew but now we all do haga keda tefre7 te2ol beat abohom haga besra7aa sa3ba. how does a 40 year old have 100 million usd in his account from where is beyond me but i'm glad they did this the country can do loads with these funds bec they r the countries money.

 

[ReBeL]

yup finally!!! the numbers the people are releasing are insane proves this country is shit rich but we never see a dime

suzy had money from where no one knew but now we all do haga keda tefre7 te2ol beat abohom haga besra7aa sa3ba. how does a 40 year old have 100 million usd in his account from where is beyond me but i'm glad they did this the country can do loads with these funds bec they r the countries money.

I wish the money will go back to the normal people.

 

[ReBeL]

The Egyptian prime minister, Ahmed Shafiq, has resigned.

Revolution succeeded again.