Egypt: from 2011 demonstrations to today (9 Viewers)

[Snoop]

Ah.

What's with the weird cat?

It sees something scary and runs, just like my smiley

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Buy on AliExpress.com

[Snoop]

Thanks. You are contributing alot to the revolution.

You know I will kill you if you use these for Syrian revolution

 

[Martin]

It sees something scary and runs, just like my smiley

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Ah, makes sense Pretty cool that you have been honored with a smilie

 

[ReBeL]

You know I will kill you if you use these for Syrian revolution

Don't worry.:eyebrows:

 

[Snoop]

Ah, makes sense Pretty cool that you have been honored with a smilie

Isn't it?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

 

[ReBeL]

Another website for martyrs:
http://1000memories.com/egypt


Pics of today
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gal...sts-tahrir-square#/?picture=371478767&index=0

 

[Alen]

صربى : Људи желе да свргну председника
كرواتى : Ljudi žele svrgnuti predsjednika

Those are in the same language, with a different alphabet

 

[ReBeL]

What a lame choice by Obama. Here is an excerpt from the Independent:

Frank Wisner, President Barack Obama's envoy to Cairo who infuriated the White House this weekend by urging Hosni Mubarak to remain President of Egypt, works for a New York and Washington law firm which works for the dictator's own Egyptian government.

Mr Wisner's astonishing remarks – "President Mubarak's continued leadership is critical: it's his opportunity to write his own legacy" – shocked the democratic opposition in Egypt and called into question Mr Obama's judgement, as well as that of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Those are in the same language, with a different alphabet

 

[ReBeL]

The Egyptian government decided to increase the salaries of governmental employees with 15% starting next April.

And a funny demonstration is taking place right now in Cairo for those idiots who were fighting the Anti-Mubarak demonstrators in the previous days. The demonstration is a protest because they were not given the appartments they were promised of as a result of their fight with Anti-Mubarak guys.

 

[Fred]

I have never heard of this newspaper :confused2

Someone needs some Arabic lessons

 

[Martin]

Someone needs some Arabic lessons

Is your class full, professor? :eyebrows:

 

[swag]

Another website for martyrs:
http://1000memories.com/egypt

This obsession with martyrdom is kind of a sickness, IMO. You go back to the founding of modern France in the French revolution, or the people who died in the U.S. revolution, and nobody goes around calling them "martyrs".

 

[Fred]

I'm not sure you can afford me :eyebrows:

 

[Fred]

This obsession with martyrdom is kind of a sickness, IMO. You go back to the founding of modern France in the French revolution, or the people who died in the U.S. revolution, and nobody goes around calling them "martyrs".

Completely different cultures, and completely different belief systems. Its the latter where this phenomenon of martyrdom stems from mostly.

 

[Martin]

I'm not sure you can afford me :eyebrows:

Well then, if you can't price yourself into the market, no sale for you

 

[swag]

Completely different cultures, and completely different belief systems. Its the latter where this phenomenon of martyrdom stems from mostly.

But IMO, that can't be too healthy. From my cultural perspective, it's one thing to die for a cause or something you believe in. To throw the "martyr" tag on it smacks of melodrama and self-importance.

 

[ReBeL]

But IMO, that can't be too healthy. From my cultural perspective, it's one thing to die for a cause or something you believe in. To throw the "martyr" tag on it smacks of melodrama and self-importance.

And who can qualify as a martyr in your viewpoint?

 

[Martin]

And who can qualify as a martyr in your viewpoint?

He's saying he doesn't like the idea of martyrdom.

 

[swag]

And who can qualify as a martyr in your viewpoint?

Martyrdom typically carries religious overtones in my cultural context, not so much political ones. So someone burned at the stake in old times because they believed in Christ or Mohammed would be considered a martyr: someone who died more for who they are and what they believe in, not for what they did. So a Chinese dissident who stood up to a tank in Tainanmen Square that ultimately ran him over would not be considered a martyr.

So from my perspective, to see it used so casually dilutes the term. There are people who are captured prisoners and might die in an enemy prison from severe diarrhea and they are called "martyrs." It contributes to a sort of victimhood mentality of the culture using it. When you consider a much broader group of people as martyrs, you build your cultural identity off of victimhood. And any culture that tries to boast its cultural values over another's in a "we suffered more than you" superiority is ultimately making more cultural legend out of failure rather than success. That can't be too good or culturally healthy.

So to be briefer and more to the point: martyrdom celebrates failure. But by not calling them martyrs, you do not.