WTF, have the mods completely abandoned the forums? ^
BS:
-OR is enough, having 2 players interested raises the chances that at least one of the 2 may become reality.
-who says we cant add 15-20mil in this deal??
-25-35 is estimated, 25mil is our usual star transfer (Amauri, Diego, Melo) 35 is unrealistic, 20-25 is smth we have done before. a swap can make it possible, where it was unpossible, thats the point!
-They are ready to buy one of those anyways, it would only made a possible Cavani deal easier and less fund and taxes loss.
-Cavani actually said that he is pleased with what he has, the point is, that in order to convince one of the other players, we must start with the fact that we can only offer half of what they are earning now.
So there is a huge, huge negotiating advantage there, which makes this certain transfer, by far the most probable one.
-They usually have, it helps to give a better salary, so that he feels that he is stepping up, better than offering the half anyways... isnt it?
Exactly because its the real life, where Dzeko, Higuain and RVP cant happen, i said that this is the most probable scenario of a top forward...
the other names mentioned should not even seriosly considered and their threads should be closed by your logic.
I actually share it, Cavani though seems to be the only realistic choice we have, if we focus on him, stop wasting time with impossible target and stop wasting cash on 15mil subs.
JJ, honestly, you are keep missing the point of the very first point i adressed to you.
That any of those two players involved in this transfer would have helped us to make it possible.
It is not mandatory to use the both of them, it is not mandatory not to pay any cash, just reduce the asking price in manageable levels.
Please try to understand this, if you do, you will see that our conflict here is meaningless.
Listen, I genuinely do not care about you. Look around, I'm not the first or last to laugh at the posts you make. You make them to get a response.
Before I go further I'll just say that I initially responded to you saying that Napoli wanted Giovinco and Melo and therefore only an incompetent manager could no pull off this deal on this basis. Just to be clear. All the other tangents you have flown off to afterwards are interesting, but not my reason to respond.
Prove? If one of those four things are not valid the deal is dead. Read those things and recognise that the parameters change if Napoli don't accept those conditions. I don't believe they do, for a second.
Melo is nothing to do with Napoli or Cavani. This is the point where you start moving away from the situation. Remember, it's this easy Cavani deal because Napoli want Giovinco and Melo.
Yes, which is one reason why your utopian transfer market does not exist.
Ok, now you're throwing all sorts of different offers around. I didn't respond to these things. And it's guesswork anyway, just your opinion. You're not a football man or expert so I'm sorry but your opinion doesn't validate how successful a general manager is.
Not disagreeing.
If it's actually real. For once acknowledge this point, if you ignore it again I will not respond further.
Seems we are talking about two different things after all. When you say 'scrap that 30m fee' are you taking about just offering two players in exchange for Cavani, or one plus €30m? Giovinco plus €30m is far too much, that's more like €48m-€50m. And then of course we are assuming Napoli actually want these players.
If they acually want them...
They you go, that assuming thing again. A common theme here. Remember we are talking about a deal that Marotta should be able to do in his sleep based on these concrete conditions.
If this sentence means that they have better options, we'll see...
My fault at chosing scrap instead of scratch and again i repeat, that we must only reduce the asking fee, from unreal boundaries, like 30-35mil to the ones we can achieve, because we did achieve in the past.
It is very well known, that i dont have confidence on Marotta. I m not talking about a straight swap of Melo+Giovinco for Cavani, that would be absurd under Marotta, that thought never even crossed my mind.
Maybe Moggi could achieve it, but i believe that Marotta is incompetent, but hopefully not completely incompetent.
I believe that our budget allocation has strict limits, probably no more further, than our usual maximum fee of 25mil.
I believe that Marotta is not respected enough in the EPL and Spain, not even in Italy. So Higuain, Dzeko and RVP are out of the question, as they exceed his capabilities, the max fee we use in transfers and the salary of course. These elements descourage me enough to call the respective targets unrealistic.
In Cavani's case though, there are quite the few differences, Napoli has shown interest for two of our players. We paid 25mil for Melo and God knows how much we will pay to get Giovinco back, this summer.
At any case, both player, even in the very reduced prices Marotta sells our material, can be used as bargain chips of 10mil each, at least.
IMO a fair price for each player is about 15mil and if we were called to buy them, i m sure that we would end up paying more than that.
But when its time to sell, we sell off. So lets consider the ammount of them as bargain chips as 10mil each.
The reported asking price for Cavani is 25-35 mil, considering the victims we are, i consider it 35mil.
Now if Napoli was considering only one of them, scratching, chopping, cutting down the 35mil price tag, into the affordable 25 mil, is enough to make this deal happen IMHO.
Why? because all the three elements are met, we overpay, we sell out, as we always do, that means that we keep them happy, and we spend 25mil cash, an ammount we are familiar with and we are sure that we can afford because we did in the past. You say we can go past that, i dont know, but for the 25mil, we can be sure of.
And the third parameter is that the salary Marotta has to negotiate is manageable, because he always gives more to the players we sign in order to cover up for his lack of negotiating skills.
Having to deal with any of Dzeko, RVP and Higuain, none of the above three elements are achiavabble my Marotta.
But as i have now explained in great detail, for this particular transfer, the odds are favorable, or at least realistic.
Even so, even with such realistic odds, Marotta has failed to complete deals in the past, for various reasons, among others to convince our player, our property to accept the offered contract.
Which is another sign of managerial incompetence. And thats why i said that, this time we have 2 bargain chips. One should be enough, but Marotta will find his way to failure, but with two, cmon, he must find a way with either of them!
Even for an incompetent manager as Marotta, we now seem to have an opportunity to make this happen.
i DID read, nice 'decortication'
some ppl do hate me with an unhealthy passion though, see?
They would never miss a chance to throw mud at me, exactly like the media are doing to Juve.
Napoli are interested on both Melo and Giovinco.
So we can scrap that 30mil fee enough to make him a reality.
And unlike Higuain, Dzeko and RVP, we can afford to raise his current salary.
Only a completely incompetent manager would fail to wrap up this deal...
scrap was unfortunate, but the enough, implies directly, that we would offer extra cash, apart from the player/players.
And the salary issue is not a small matter, Marotta never convinved anybody to do smth unfavorable, let alone top market prospects of international fame.
A 10mil salary, after taxes in Italy becomes almost double.
It exceeds our capabilities. The reported 35mil fees are exceeding our capabilities. Never in the past we have offered 35mil and 10mil salary.
And usually, in such cases we offer more than the competition.
But in Cavani's case alone, there is hope the deal can go throw, even be a half incompetent manager, becausr of the above mentioned conditions.