Edinson Cavani - ST - PSG (28 Viewers)
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WTF, have the mods completely abandoned the forums? ^
JJ, honestly, you are keep missing the point of the very first point i adressed to you.
That any of those two players involved in this transfer would have helped us to make it possible.
It is not mandatory to use the both of them, it is not mandatory not to pay any cash, just reduce the asking price in manageable levels.
Please try to understand this, if you do, you will see that our conflict here is meaningless.
My fault at chosing scrap instead of scratch and again i repeat, that we must only reduce the asking fee, from unreal boundaries, like 30-35mil to the ones we can achieve, because we did achieve in the past.
It is very well known, that i dont have confidence on Marotta. I m not talking about a straight swap of Melo+Giovinco for Cavani, that would be absurd under Marotta, that thought never even crossed my mind.
Maybe Moggi could achieve it, but i believe that Marotta is incompetent, but hopefully not completely incompetent.
I believe that our budget allocation has strict limits, probably no more further, than our usual maximum fee of 25mil.
I believe that Marotta is not respected enough in the EPL and Spain, not even in Italy. So Higuain, Dzeko and RVP are out of the question, as they exceed his capabilities, the max fee we use in transfers and the salary of course. These elements descourage me enough to call the respective targets unrealistic.
In Cavani's case though, there are quite the few differences, Napoli has shown interest for two of our players. We paid 25mil for Melo and God knows how much we will pay to get Giovinco back, this summer.
At any case, both player, even in the very reduced prices Marotta sells our material, can be used as bargain chips of 10mil each, at least.
IMO a fair price for each player is about 15mil and if we were called to buy them, i m sure that we would end up paying more than that.
But when its time to sell, we sell off. So lets consider the ammount of them as bargain chips as 10mil each.
The reported asking price for Cavani is 25-35 mil, considering the victims we are, i consider it 35mil.
Now if Napoli was considering only one of them, scratching, chopping, cutting down the 35mil price tag, into the affordable 25 mil, is enough to make this deal happen IMHO.
Why? because all the three elements are met, we overpay, we sell out, as we always do, that means that we keep them happy, and we spend 25mil cash, an ammount we are familiar with and we are sure that we can afford because we did in the past. You say we can go past that, i dont know, but for the 25mil, we can be sure of.
And the third parameter is that the salary Marotta has to negotiate is manageable, because he always gives more to the players we sign in order to cover up for his lack of negotiating skills.
Having to deal with any of Dzeko, RVP and Higuain, none of the above three elements are achiavabble my Marotta.
But as i have now explained in great detail, for this particular transfer, the odds are favorable, or at least realistic.
Even so, even with such realistic odds, Marotta has failed to complete deals in the past, for various reasons, among others to convince our player, our property to accept the offered contract.
Which is another sign of managerial incompetence. And thats why i said that, this time we have 2 bargain chips. One should be enough, but Marotta will find his way to failure, but with two, cmon, he must find a way with either of them!
Even for an incompetent manager as Marotta, we now seem to have an opportunity to make this happen.
some ppl do hate me with an unhealthy passion though, see?
They would never miss a chance to throw mud at me, exactly like the media are doing to Juve.
scrap was unfortunate, but the enough, implies directly, that we would offer extra cash, apart from the player/players.
And the salary issue is not a small matter, Marotta never convinved anybody to do smth unfavorable, let alone top market prospects of international fame.
A 10mil salary, after taxes in Italy becomes almost double.
It exceeds our capabilities. The reported 35mil fees are exceeding our capabilities. Never in the past we have offered 35mil and 10mil salary.
And usually, in such cases we offer more than the competition.
But in Cavani's case alone, there is hope the deal can go throw, even be a half incompetent manager, becausr of the above mentioned conditions.
JJ, honestly, you are keep missing the point of the very first point i adressed to you.
That any of those two players involved in this transfer would have helped us to make it possible.
It is not mandatory to use the both of them, it is not mandatory not to pay any cash, just reduce the asking price in manageable levels.
Please try to understand this, if you do, you will see that our conflict here is meaningless.
My fault at chosing scrap instead of scratch and again i repeat, that we must only reduce the asking fee, from unreal boundaries, like 30-35mil to the ones we can achieve, because we did achieve in the past.
It is very well known, that i dont have confidence on Marotta. I m not talking about a straight swap of Melo+Giovinco for Cavani, that would be absurd under Marotta, that thought never even crossed my mind.
Maybe Moggi could achieve it, but i believe that Marotta is incompetent, but hopefully not completely incompetent.
I believe that our budget allocation has strict limits, probably no more further, than our usual maximum fee of 25mil.
I believe that Marotta is not respected enough in the EPL and Spain, not even in Italy. So Higuain, Dzeko and RVP are out of the question, as they exceed his capabilities, the max fee we use in transfers and the salary of course. These elements descourage me enough to call the respective targets unrealistic.
In Cavani's case though, there are quite the few differences, Napoli has shown interest for two of our players. We paid 25mil for Melo and God knows how much we will pay to get Giovinco back, this summer.
At any case, both player, even in the very reduced prices Marotta sells our material, can be used as bargain chips of 10mil each, at least.
IMO a fair price for each player is about 15mil and if we were called to buy them, i m sure that we would end up paying more than that.
But when its time to sell, we sell off. So lets consider the ammount of them as bargain chips as 10mil each.
The reported asking price for Cavani is 25-35 mil, considering the victims we are, i consider it 35mil.
Now if Napoli was considering only one of them, scratching, chopping, cutting down the 35mil price tag, into the affordable 25 mil, is enough to make this deal happen IMHO.
Why? because all the three elements are met, we overpay, we sell out, as we always do, that means that we keep them happy, and we spend 25mil cash, an ammount we are familiar with and we are sure that we can afford because we did in the past. You say we can go past that, i dont know, but for the 25mil, we can be sure of.
And the third parameter is that the salary Marotta has to negotiate is manageable, because he always gives more to the players we sign in order to cover up for his lack of negotiating skills.
Having to deal with any of Dzeko, RVP and Higuain, none of the above three elements are achiavabble my Marotta.
But as i have now explained in great detail, for this particular transfer, the odds are favorable, or at least realistic.
Even so, even with such realistic odds, Marotta has failed to complete deals in the past, for various reasons, among others to convince our player, our property to accept the offered contract.
Which is another sign of managerial incompetence. And thats why i said that, this time we have 2 bargain chips. One should be enough, but Marotta will find his way to failure, but with two, cmon, he must find a way with either of them!
Even for an incompetent manager as Marotta, we now seem to have an opportunity to make this happen.
some ppl do hate me with an unhealthy passion though, see?
They would never miss a chance to throw mud at me, exactly like the media are doing to Juve.
scrap was unfortunate, but the enough, implies directly, that we would offer extra cash, apart from the player/players.
And the salary issue is not a small matter, Marotta never convinved anybody to do smth unfavorable, let alone top market prospects of international fame.
A 10mil salary, after taxes in Italy becomes almost double.
It exceeds our capabilities. The reported 35mil fees are exceeding our capabilities. Never in the past we have offered 35mil and 10mil salary.
And usually, in such cases we offer more than the competition.
But in Cavani's case alone, there is hope the deal can go throw, even be a half incompetent manager, becausr of the above mentioned conditions.
it seem that you never seen how upper level management works... Marotta not respected enough? what have he done exactly? dressing like clowns during negotiation? foul mouthed? doing these internet meme like things like those posted at his thread here?
calling him incompetent still somewhat understandable, but saying him not respected enough by fellow football professionals/managements, something he already work with many years? that's clearly biased...
it's rather the whole top level football not respecting Serie A enough than them not respecting Marotta...
calling him incompetent still somewhat understandable, but saying him not respected enough by fellow football professionals/managements, something he already work with many years? that's clearly biased...
it's rather the whole top level football not respecting Serie A enough than them not respecting Marotta...
To be honest I don't think giving Melo+Giovinco for Cavani is a wise move. It would strengthen Napoli more than it strengthen us. If Conte is however very sure that Cavani is the last piece to the puzzle then I'm all for it but I doubt if that's the case at the moment. Cavani+Lavezzi for the two+cash is however something I'd prefer.
At the end of the day what does Cronios know about how well respected Marotta is as a ds across Europe? Nothing, zero, zilch, fuck all. It's his warped opinion and nothing else. So forming a long-winded and incessantly boring argument on this basis means that the entire argument ends up just as meaningless. Just as deciding the difficulty of a market move on the basis of interest that may or may not exist, players who may or may not be interested in the moves, and clubs who may or may not agree certain deals is ultimately meaningless.
Such haters... Insulting people on the Internet is the most pathetic thing i've ever seen in my entire life. And mostly it comes from people that have so much free time to waste. Why can't you just comment on the issues we're discussing and stop with all the bullshit. People who don't respect others opinions like you will never get respect either, you better think about that. And who are you to measure in percentage peoples opinion worth, when your posts are
