Edin Džeko - Striker - Manchester City - Part 2 (31 Viewers)

[Hust]

Who said he's worthless ?I was just saying,since City are inclined to sell him as he's deemed surplus for them we shouldnt go over the odds to pay big money for him.

No, you have been claiming that he isn't worth a "penny more than 20m".

Whether City want to sell or not, doesn't mean his value just "suddenly" drops.

 

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[Xperd]

Aguero & Tevez are going to $#@! on anyone that comes to that team, and Mancini for whatever reason prefers Balotelli.

By your logic you must think that Mancini is a genius. The only way he won is the money that club pumps out for players. It isn't like Dzeko has been denied by other coaches at other clubs. It's only Mancini for $#@! sake.

Peoples logic here.

The fact that Tevez was frozen out of the squad until March-April last season just to get called back by Mancini ahead of Dzeko says it all

---------- Post added 30.07.2012 at 20:54 ----------

No, you have been claiming that he isn't worth a "penny more than 20m".

Whether City want to sell or not, doesn't mean his value just "suddenly" drops.

No i said "we shouldnt go over a penny more than 20m"..Clearly there's a difference there..

 

[Maddy]

The fact that Tevez was frozen out of the squad until March-April last season just to get called back by Mancini ahead of Dzeko says it all

Ever thought that with Aguero it wasnt a Dzeko-type they needed, but a SS?

Now a forward needs to be able to play every single role in the attack?

 

[Xperd]

Flashy ? Lolwut ?I did say before that i'd prefer Lewandowski ahead of him cuz he's much more mobile ,his movement is much better..And he's not the most 'flashiest' player in the world either..

 

[Maddy]

Flashy ? Lolwut ?I did say before that i'd prefer Lewandowski ahead of him cuz he's much more mobile ,his movement is much better..And he's not the most 'flashiest' player in the world either..

Judging Dzeko on his size? Have you honestly seen Dzeko play? His movement is world class inside box and it's good outside the box.

 

[Hust]

Flashy ? Lolwut ?I did say before that i'd prefer Lewandowski ahead of him cuz he's much more mobile ,his movement is much better..And he's not the most 'flashiest' player in the world either..

We need a poacher. Thank god Juve didn't say no to Trez* because he certainly wasn't the most mobile forward either.

It isn't about pace when you are a poacher. Its about knowing where to be at the right time and knowing what to fucking do with the ball when you get it. Dzeko has the "footballing intelligence" to be a great poacher, which he already is. And scoring has many goals as he did coming off the bench at City should say a lot. Imagine what he would do here with the team we have assembled starting every game and being our main striker.

*Before you get smart and say "Bravo, way to compare a legendary player like Trez to Dzeko...the point, if you can see it, is that you don't have to be "mobile" to score plenty of goals. It wasn't a "player comparison", more of a style comparison in ways they were similar.

---------- Post added 30.07.2012 at 11:30 ----------

Judging Dzeko on his size? Have you honestly seen Dzeko play? His movement is world class inside box and it's good outside the box.

Apparently we haven't seen him play because if we have we would all know he is a slow, lazy and static striker.

 

[Maddy]

Add to that, that mobility will not be a need for Juventus' new center forward given our tactics, playstyle and players.

Not like Marchisio, Vidal, Isla, De Ceglie (Armero), Giovinco, Pepe, Vucinic and Matri all just stand around and wait for the ball.

We lack presence in the box - we almost lost the championship due to lack of goals - and there's very few players in the world better than Dzeko at that.

 

[Xperd]

Add to that, that mobility will not be a need for Juventus' new center forward given our tactics, playstyle and players.

Lolwut ?we exactly need that type of player..Someone who is mobile,technical and got the ability to create chances for players around him too..Look at how many goals came from midfield last season..

An Ibra type player would have been ideal in our system..

 

[Hust]

Add to that, that mobility will not be a need for Juventus' new center forward given our tactics, playstyle and players.

Not like Marchisio, Vidal, Isla, De Ceglie (Armero), Giovinco, Pepe, Vucinic and Matri all just stand around and wait for the ball.

We lack presence in the box - we almost lost the championship due to lack of goals - and there's very few players in the world better than Dzeko at that.

This guy knows his shit. ^

---------- Post added 30.07.2012 at 11:40 ----------

Lolwut ?we exactly need that type of player..Someone who is mobile,technical and got the ability to create chances for players around him too..Look at how many goals came from midfield last season..

An Ibra type player would have been ideal in our system..

*sigh*

Our team is absolutely LOADED with players whom are very mobile. We need a striker that makes his presence the strongest in and around the box. the other 9 field players will provide the work. Poachers aren't necessary to run everywhere like you want...they are built specifically to be at their best in the box.

It really isn't this complicated.

 

[Maddy]

Lolwut ?we exactly need that type of player..Someone who is mobile,technical and got the ability to create chances for players around him too..Look at how many goals came from midfield last season..

You must be trolling? We lack a support striker more than a goalscorer?

 

[Bianconero81]

We should definitely not go full retard on this deal. Dzeko will become City's 5'th choice striker if/once RVP arrives. Dzeko would then want to move on. Not many teams will be going for him, and those that can afford him, don't need him. Hence, we should be able to get a deal in our favor. Loan + obligation to buy for 20 Million sounds reasonable and fair.

 

[TheLaz]

We need a poacher. Thank god Juve didn't say no to Trez* because he certainly wasn't the most mobile forward either.

It isn't about pace when you are a poacher. Its about knowing where to be at the right time and knowing what to $#@!ing do with the ball when you get it. Dzeko has the "footballing intelligence" to be a great poacher, which he already is. And scoring has many goals as he did coming off the bench at City should say a lot. Imagine what he would do here with the team we have assembled starting every game and being our main striker.

*Before you get smart and say "Bravo, way to compare a legendary player like Trez to Dzeko...the point, if you can see it, is that you don't have to be "mobile" to score plenty of goals. It wasn't a "player comparison", more of a style comparison in ways they were similar.

---------- Post added 30.07.2012 at 11:30 ----------



Apparently we haven't seen him play because if we have we would all know he is a slow, lazy and static striker.

YES! So true. But just to be sure here - do you think Aguero is thought of as a poacher? He's not. Aguero is a second striker just like ADP who can score tons of goals. He is a modern CF so to speak. Dzeko is a classic poacher and so on just like you said, but the fact that Dzeko is tall and strong, knows where to seek the ball and all that makes him a better solution to a team that plays this style of football. This is also part of the reason it didn't work for Zlatan in Barcelona, they asked for fast dribblers and he offer air supply and strength in the box. The Trezguet comparison is perfect as Trez and Dzeko are very equal in their "style" of player. Cavani is similar as well.

Suarez, RvP, Jovetic are different and not the kind of players you would consider if you want to play like Napoli or Juve back in Trez days. Adding Suarez or Jovetic you'd want to play more like Barca.. It depends what's avaiable and how Conte wants to play. Dortmund (Lewandowski), Beyern Munchen(Gomez), Napoli (Cavani) - those teams play with a classic big CF poacher. Signing Dzeko we'd join them..

 

[Xperd]

You must be trolling? We lack a support striker more than a goalscorer?

^^yeah Ibra or Van Persie type players..They have proven to be successful poachers as well..

 

[Maddy]

We should definitely not go full retard on this deal. Dzeko will become City's 5'th choice striker if/once RVP arrives. Dzeko would then want to move on. Not many teams will be going for him, and those that can afford him, don't need him. Hence, we should be able to get a deal in our favor. Loan + obligation to buy for 20 Million sounds reasonable and fair.

This I agree with. If Van Persie signs with City we got the cards on our hands in terms of Dzeko. Besides it's not Dzeko's transfer fee that's the problem but rather his salary. Hopefully a chance to play CL as a first choice, while still earning the $$$ instead of the $$$$$, will be enough for Dzeko.

 

[Hust]

YES! So true. But just to be sure here - do you think Aguero is thought of as a poacher? He's not. Aguero is a second striker just like ADP who can score tons of goals. He is a modern CF so to speak. Dzeko is a classic poacher and so on just like you said, but the fact that Dzeko is tall and strong, knows where to seek the ball and all that makes him a better solution to a team that plays this style of football. This is also part of the reason it didn't work for Zlatan in Barcelona, they asked for fast dribblers and he offer air supply and strength in the box. The Trezguet comparison is perfect as Trez and Dzeko are very equal in their "style" of player. Cavani is similar as well.

Suarez, RvP, Jovetic are different and not the kind of players you would consider if you want to play like Napoli or Juve back in Trez days. Adding Suarez or Jovetic you'd want to play more like Barca.. It depends what's avaiable and how Conte wants to play. Dortmund (Lewandowski), Beyern Munchen(Gomez), Napoli (Cavani) - those teams play with a classic big CF poacher. Signing Dzeko we'd join them..

---------- Post added 30.07.2012 at 11:47 ----------

This I agree with. If Van Persie signs with City we got the cards on our hands in terms of Dzeko. Besides it's not Dzeko's transfer fee that's the problem but rather his salary. Hopefully a chance to play CL as a first choice, while still earning the $$$ instead of the $$$$$, will be enough for Dzeko.

I agree as well.

 

[Xperd]

If you think that city will be willing to yield him on loan + option to buy ,you'd have to think Milan would be in the race as well plus he's a Milanista and they would be willing to offer a higher salary than us..

I dont think they'll accept a loan anyway,thats a pretty unrealistic scenario,if anything we should play hardball with over the fee and bring it down to 20..We shouldnt be paying more than that if we are after him..

Also somebody here said that Marotta should've moved early in the market in the search for a striker rather than at the end of the window thinking he'll be getting bargain deals..I fully agree with this..If Marotta had pushed early on in the market for a CF ,we could've had Giroud by now for a paltry sum.Arsenal got Podolski as well for peanuts..Now we are left in the situation where in if we arent able to acquire a quality CF the alternatives would be players like Pazzini for example who hardly is an uograde as other teams wouldnt be inclined to sell their strikers this late in the window.

 

[Hust]

If you think that city will be willing to yield him on loan + option to buy ,you'd have to think Milan would be in the race as well plus he's a Milanista and they would be willing to offer a higher salary than us..

I dont think they'll accept a loan anyway,thats a pretty unrealistic scenario,if anything we should play hardball with over the fee and bring it down to 20..We shouldnt be paying more than that if we are after him..

Also somebody here said that Marotta should've moved early in the market in the search for a striker rather than at the end of the window thinking he'll be getting bargain deals..I fully agree with this..If Marotta had pushed early on in the market for a CF ,we could've had Giroud by now for a paltry sum.Arsenal got Podolski as well for peanuts..Now we are left in the situation where in if we arent able to acquire a quality CF the alternatives would be players like Pazzini for example who hardly is an uograde as other teams wouldnt be inclined to sell their strikers this late in the window.

Adding depth and quality to every department in our team aside from the strikers was the best thing to do. Spending our budget on a striker first and foremost would have been nice but risky because we would have compromised strengthening other others of the team.

Conte could have wanted the core of his team assembled quickly to start training for preseason, especially with the Italian nationals taking extended vacations.

There is still plenty of time to get a striker, nothing really would have changed to be honest aside from the french guy you mentioned.

Thats what I think.

 

[baggio]

I disagree about moving earlier. The last month is very dynamic as far as big players are concerned, and its kind of like the difference between getting Dzeko at 20m or on loan with obligation because e big teams and players also need a favourable conclusion when taking big players off their books. Getting Giroud earlier would rule out getting am RvP or Dzeko at the end. Milan got Ibra favourably from Barca because it was at the end of the Market. A similar situation wouldn't have existed at the start. The only big deals that take place at the start is if you have big money to spend, Juve on other hand don't have big money to spend on one player, their outlay is spread across multiple positions for better or worse.

 

[Hust]

I disagree about moving earlier. The last month is very dynamic as far as big players are concerned, and its kind of like the difference between getting Dzeko at 20m or on loan with obligation because e big teams and players also need a favourable conclusion when taking big players off their books. Getting Giroud earlier would rule out getting am RvP or Dzeko at the end. Milan got Ibra favourably from Barca because it was at the end of the Market. A similar situation wouldn't have existed at the start. The only big deals that take place at the start is if you have big money to spend, Juve on other hand don't have big money to spend on one player, their outlay is spread across multiple positions for better or worse.

 

[RAVANELLI]

Lolwut ?we exactly need that type of player..Someone who is mobile,technical and got the ability to create chances for players around him too..Look at how many goals came from midfield last season..

An Ibra type player would have been ideal in our system..

Mirko?