Dušan Vlahović (141 Viewers)

[Scottish]

I actually think some of his second-half involvement in build up was pretty good. A couple of tackles, some recovery and some passes out wide. You could tell how fucked off he was that nobody was doing any running first half, i was happy to see him come out and lead by example.

He arrived a world-beater and look at him now. It takes a special kind of idiot to manage a squad that has Di Maria and Kostic as playmakers and Vlahovic to finish chances and sink his entire ship. Vlahovic is not the problem. He's not done well at all individually, but he is not the problem imo.

Absolutely do not sell.

 

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[Bjerknes]

I'd be up for selling him if it meant we get two quality wingers and at least one fullback. I don't like Milik but with a well working team even Choupo-Moting scores.

Two quality wingers? Just so Allegri can turn them into wingbacks???

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Higuain's touch was a million times better.

He was a world class striker at a point in time though. It’s Allegri’s job to make players better and he’s failing miserably with pretty much everybody other than Rabiot.

 

[Adrian]

Allegri would make a trio of maradona messi and R9 look average.

 

[Clamarc]

Allegri would make a trio of maradona messi and R9 look average.

No it's the other way around. They would make Allegri look like WC coach

 

[DAiDEViL]

Remember when we're laughing at Kean's touch and link up play?

Let's wait til we see Kean under a new coach. Can't judge him yet.

 

[Salvo]

Which center forward has played well


We look like shit with Milik, Kean and Vlahovic.

There is no movement, sure he fucks up some touches but it's just a fucking abhorrent way to play football.

 

[Akshen]

Which center forward has played well


We look like shit with Milik, Kean and Vlahovic.

There is no movement, sure he fucks up some touches but it's just a fucking abhorrent way to play football.

Milik before the injury was miles ahead of any one. And really this is no argument for me, as Milik is just a average player himself. He was struggling for playing time in OM. He is good as rotation for Juve, but lets be real, Milik is average, Kean is shit and Vlaho is what he is currently so its not a suprise they arent setting world apart.

 

[LiquidPLP]

Two quality wingers? Just so Allegri can turn them into wingbacks???

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He was a world class striker at a point in time though. It’s Allegri’s job to make players better and he’s failing miserably with pretty much everybody other than Rabiot.

Yes two quality wingers who would support a poaching-like CF. My assumption was that it'd be under another manager though

Milik before the injury was miles ahead of any one. And really this is no argument for me, as Milik is just a average player himself. He was struggling for playing time in OM. He is good as rotation for Juve, but lets be real, Milik is average, Kean is shit and Vlaho is what he is currently so its not a suprise they arent setting world apart.

One could argue it's exactly the Allegro's effect - a dude who comes in does well and then fades away. Lates example could be Vlahovic himself.

There's something badly wrong at JJ. The training, the fitness, the tactics and approach - everything stinks badly. There's an urgent need for a refresh in the club and only blind wouldn't see it.

 

[Salvo]

I was about to say that. Everyone looks good for a few months before Allegri sucks the joy out of their game

 

[JuveJay]

I agree with those who say with a more attacking coach who suits his traits he would be doing better, but you can say that for any striker. He should be doing better. I can't agree that he was ever a "world class" striker because he scored a bunch of goals goals for a mid table team, he was potentially though and still is.

What concerns me is that we will go from Allegri to another coach who will play restricted football again (often the default of a Juventus coach, like it's in our DNA). We even ended up with Sarri playing like it, ffs. Or we appoint a Pirlo with experience and don't follow through with the project again. Because let's face it, a top coach isn't coming here next season. We have too many issues on and off the field and became unattractive to anyone but Italians.

The issue is more of planning. We spend big money on a player and think because they have talent and reputation it's a sure thing, we don't build a team or plan that suits X player and those around them. Bringing in Kostic was probably the only contingency we made for Vlahovic. He needs a midfield that plays higher and balls in from the channels. And this is probably an Italian thing more than you see in other leagues, as the sporting director controls this and sees one thing, but if it's not married with the ideas of the coach it doesn't work. Paratici's ideas don't marry with any sane person so even though yes we have some good players we also have some serious deficiencies as a team. Allegri's default is a narrow win and he thinks he is doing fine considering the off-field obstacles, but reality is that results aren't that great because of the terrible start, and the poor football turns everyone off.

 

[Salvo]

I agree with those who say with a more attacking coach who suits his traits he would be doing better, but you can say that for any striker. He should be doing better. I can't agree that he was ever a "world class" striker because he scored a bunch of goals goals for a mid table team, he was potentially though and still is.

What concerns me is that we will go from Allegri to another coach who will play restricted football again (often the default of a Juventus coach, like it's in our DNA). We even ended up with Sarri playing like it, ffs. Or we appoint a Pirlo with experience and don't follow through with the project again. Because let's face it, a top coach isn't coming here next season. We have too many issues on and off the field and became unattractive to anyone but Italians.

The issue is more of planning. We spend big money on a player and think because they have talent and reputation it's a sure thing, we don't build a team or plan that suits X player and those around them. Bringing in Kostic was probably the only contingency we made for Vlahovic. He needs a midfield that plays higher and balls in from the channels. And this is probably an Italian thing more than you see in other leagues, as the sporting director controls this and sees one thing, but if it's not married with the ideas of the coach it doesn't work. Paratici's ideas don't marry with any sane person so even though yes we have some good players we also have some serious deficiencies as a team. Allegri's default is a narrow win and he thinks he is doing fine considering the off-field obstacles, but reality is that results aren't that great because of the terrible start, and the poor football turns everyone off.

I think it's the fact that Allegri when it comes to strikers wants them to play in a certain way ignoring their traits. What chances realistically did we create? We don't even create dangerous crosses unless it's Kostic. It's an impossible situation. We need to now look at what coach is going to get the best out of our key players. Even if we play restricted football with another coach I don't think anyone can match the absolute nothing we have in attack with Max right now

The attacking players don't make runs any more, we know it'll just be pass wide, maybe cross, maybe pass back and when we do cross it's not even high tempo to catch defended off guard.

 

[s4tch]

I think it's the fact that Allegri when it comes to strikers wants them to play in a certain way ignoring their traits. What chances realistically did we create? We don't even create dangerous crosses unless it's Kostic. It's an impossible situation. We need to now look at what coach is going to get the best out of our key players. Even if we play restricted football with another coach I don't think anyone can match the absolute nothing we have in attack with Max right now

The attacking players don't make runs any more, we know it'll just be pass wide, maybe cross, maybe pass back and when we do cross it's not even high tempo to catch defended off guard.

i see attackers making those occasional runs, but there are a few fundamental issues with that. first of all there's the basic strategy that danilo mentioned but very few actually read it because they freaked out over the standard "allegri is our ideal coach" sentence: we tend to rely on long balls which are easier to intercept when the opposition is compact. we also play too deep, and put way too few bodies inside the box, so vlahovic always finds himself isolated

we simply need more offensive tactics to suit our attackers. that said, vlahovic is too low on confidence right now, it's not just about bad tactics. once his balls grow some hair he'd be a more effective player

 

[Salvo]

i see attackers making those occasional runs, but there are a few fundamental issues with that. first of all there's the basic strategy that danilo mentioned but very few actually read it because they freaked out over the standard "allegri is our ideal coach" sentence: we tend to rely on long balls which are easier to intercept when the opposition is compact. we also play too deep, and put way too few bodies inside the box, so vlahovic always finds himself isolated

we simply need more offensive tactics to suit our attackers. that said, vlahovic is too low on confidence right now, it's not just about bad tactics. once his balls grow some hair he'd be a more effective player

They also do make runs but very often the vertical ball is completely ignored. Just to back pass. We need a fresh start desperately. The issue is why would anyone with a modicum of talent stay next year? Why would any attacking player want to stay unless we bring a new coach.

 

[j0ker]

He has been beyond shit but I still have not given up on him. Our squad with Allegri on the helm lacks clarity up front, we seem clueless and not only these past two seasons but also at the end of his first tenure.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Doesn’t deserve to be here. Clearly not good enough for our jihadball.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

He should be doing the basics better, but no doubt that his confidence and desire to play is shot with our style of play. That'll affect every aspect of his game.

 

[PhRoZeN]

Needs to learn how to cry when missing sitters.

 

[Akshen]

Yes two quality wingers who would support a poaching-like CF. My assumption was that it'd be under another manager though


One could argue it's exactly the Allegro's effect - a dude who comes in does well and then fades away. Lates example could be Vlahovic himself.

There's something badly wrong at JJ. The training, the fitness, the tactics and approach - everything stinks badly. There's an urgent need for a refresh in the club and only blind wouldn't see it.

That could be a truth, i agree. Vlaho was also very good at the begging and then faded away

 

[Xperd]

Vlahovic is one of those players that needs to be rehabilitated. Obviously there are question marks about his mentality, feels a bit Morata-esque but this is a super talented kid trapped in the path of radicalisation by Allegro and his grooming gangs/coaching staff.

We should do all we can to rescue him from obscurity and extremism. I believe in his talent and still believe he's going to become one of the best strikers in the world.

The day the holy site of Condinassa is wiped away from the evil sins, the dirty deeds of the Livornese thug, that day will be his day of redemption

 

[Patrizi]

I went to the game against Sporting and realized how bad we actually are watching the game from the stands. It's so different from seeing it on the tele.

I don't fault Allegri as much after what I witnessed. Our team just isn't very good at playing football. That's the issue. We have players who have a really hard time controlling a simple pass. And we have even fewer players who are capable of passing the ball accurately. Locatelli was embarrassing to watch with the ball. I've seen elephants with better touch than Vlahovic. Chiesa is capable of wrecking havoc by running, but his touches are horrible.

There's only one player capable of playing quality football, with 1-2 touches, and that is Dí Maria. But since nobody else is capable of it, it usually stops there. He's meant to create everything by himself. And you guys want the team to become more attacking? I'm not sure you understand what that means. Unless you're fine conceding 2-3 goals every game.

I disagree that we need an attacking coach. I want them to be good defensively with quality up top. A team that hardly concedes, and with quality always manages to score. The problem is we don't have much of a quality playing the ball. We have a bit of quality going on the counter. But that's about it. Our quality lies in masculinity and strong defence.

It's actually remarkable that we're technically second. We can barely play football. And that's not all on Allegri.

Allegri sees what he has. And he has to make a team. These players aren't capable of holding onto the ball, or playing football. Yet you guys want him to play attacking football with one player capable of making an accurate pass? Give me a break.

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