Domenico Berardi (12 Viewers)

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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Marotta has an allergy on prolific finishers and on players able to become one.
All the other serie A teams, can easily find a Klose, Rossi, Cavani, Higuain, Dzeko, Balotelli etc,
yet we can only go as far as Vucinic and Manzdukic.
Even if we accidentally sign one, like it happened with Tevez, who was never that prolific as an SS, we just gave him away for free.
So we will never get a Dzeko, a Cavani, a Lewad/ski, Benzema or a Higuain, because they could simply do their job,
yet Marotta prefers to sign a group of ppl to do the job of one finisher.
Probably he takes a better cut this way, or he is simply incompetent to approach the most wanted players in mercato, that always have been the prolific finishers.
His public accusers will always make pitiful excuses, like every time, after another Marotta transfer saga failure, (Dzeko, RVP, etc)
Immobile and Berardi were the only players of the youngsters we owned that could become prolific finishers in the future, but Marotta made sure that we will never get them.
He loaned them away until he made sure, they were really not mediocre material and when he was sure, he gifted away their contracts for peanuts and left Juventus unable to sign them back.
Then made a faint attempt to sign them back, the feeder club naturally did not commit the gift gesture of his, demanded an ammount close to the player's actual value and now, with the excuse that the player is now too expensive to have back, the return fails.
This is a pattern that repeats its self, ever since Marotta has joined us. And this year utter proof appeared, after losing our Immobile last year, after he was the most wanted finisher in serie A, only for 5mil,
this year he failed to get Berardi and got the mediocre Zaza instead, for a ridiculous amount of cash.
Zaza is not going to become a permanent solution, his abilities to score are limited, he never reached Berardi, or Immobile's goal numbers and Marotta has chosen him particularly for that.
Zaza has an expiration date, one day his limited talent will reach a point that will be proved insuficient for Juve and we will be forced to buy yet again.
Mandzukic will reach Llorente's age soon and will be released for free, Morata will return to Real and Dybala will never become as prolific, as Tevez and will always need a prolific partner, providing a permanent excuse for Marotta to keep spending 20mil every year for new forwards and a new set of CM/AMs/wingers.
This is why we got Zaza and not Berardi, Zaza at best will become as prolific as the average finishers Marotta gets, Iaquinta, Vucinic, Quaq, Matri, Borriello, Llorente, Morata strickly before the coming of age and now Mandzukic.
Berardi and Immobile had the potential to surpass them, so Marotta simply "failed" to get them, lame excuses may appear from everywhere, he can even cause them himself, for example may demand from Berardi to come and accept his role as the 4th sub, or put Allegri to call Zaza and promise him playing time and equal chances.

Berardi will find a team, Marotta will collect his cut from future transfers, the only one who loses from this, is Juventus...
Immobile > Morata?
 

.zero

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Aug 8, 2006
82,842
Marotta has an allergy on prolific finishers and on players able to become one.
All the other serie A teams, can easily find a Klose, Rossi, Cavani, Higuain, Dzeko, Balotelli etc,
yet we can only go as far as Vucinic and Manzdukic.
Even if we accidentally sign one, like it happened with Tevez, who was never that prolific as an SS, we just gave him away for free.
So we will never get a Dzeko, a Cavani, a Lewad/ski, Benzema or a Higuain, because they could simply do their job,
yet Marotta prefers to sign a group of ppl to do the job of one finisher.
Probably he takes a better cut this way, or he is simply incompetent to approach the most wanted players in mercato, that always have been the prolific finishers.
His public accusers will always make pitiful excuses, like every time, after another Marotta transfer saga failure, (Dzeko, RVP, etc)
Immobile and Berardi were the only players of the youngsters we owned that could become prolific finishers in the future, but Marotta made sure that we will never get them.
He loaned them away until he made sure, they were really not mediocre material and when he was sure, he gifted away their contracts for peanuts and left Juventus unable to sign them back.
Then made a faint attempt to sign them back, the feeder club naturally did not commit the gift gesture of his, demanded an ammount close to the player's actual value and now, with the excuse that the player is now too expensive to have back, the return fails.
This is a pattern that repeats its self, ever since Marotta has joined us. And this year utter proof appeared, after losing our Immobile last year, after he was the most wanted finisher in serie A, only for 5mil,
this year he failed to get Berardi and got the mediocre Zaza instead, for a ridiculous amount of cash.
Zaza is not going to become a permanent solution, his abilities to score are limited, he never reached Berardi, or Immobile's goal numbers and Marotta has chosen him particularly for that.
Zaza has an expiration date, one day his limited talent will reach a point that will be proved insuficient for Juve and we will be forced to buy yet again.
Mandzukic will reach Llorente's age soon and will be released for free, Morata will return to Real and Dybala will never become as prolific, as Tevez and will always need a prolific partner, providing a permanent excuse for Marotta to keep spending 20mil every year for new forwards and a new set of CM/AMs/wingers.
This is why we got Zaza and not Berardi, Zaza at best will become as prolific as the average finishers Marotta gets, Iaquinta, Vucinic, Quaq, Matri, Borriello, Llorente, Morata strickly before the coming of age and now Mandzukic.
Berardi and Immobile had the potential to surpass them, so Marotta simply "failed" to get them, lame excuses may appear from everywhere, he can even cause them himself, for example may demand from Berardi to come and accept his role as the 4th sub, or put Allegri to call Zaza and promise him playing time and equal chances.

Berardi will find a team, Marotta will collect his cut from future transfers, the only one who loses from this, is Juventus...
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Try to mix in some emojis and gifs to convey your point from time to time, dear friend
 

TheLaz

Senior Member
Oct 6, 2011
5,536
Is there a pre-fixed fee with an agreement in place between the 2 clubs for Berardi next summer?
Yes. I heard €20m. It's connected to the Zaza deal and just might represent the most complicated football business in the world. Next to Neymar and Tevez' "investors" agreements a few years back.

I think we sold Berardi back to Sassuolo so that they would consider him their star player. This would lead to the greatest development possible, and ultimately a call from Beppe. But please, everybody calm down - he's a great talent but most of everything this kid is hyped because of his passport.

I will repeat myself - he is nowhere near the talent of Dybala.
 

Knowah

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Jan 28, 2013
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Yes. I heard €20m. It's connected to the Zaza deal and just might represent the most complicated football business in the world. Next to Neymar and Tevez' "investors" agreements a few years back.

I think we sold Berardi back to Sassuolo so that they would consider him their star player. This would lead to the greatest development possible, and ultimately a call from Beppe. But please, everybody calm down - he's a great talent but most of everything this kid is hyped because of his passport.

I will repeat myself - he is nowhere near the talent of Dybala.
I hope you are being sarcastic.

If anything, Dybala's hype was based primarily on his passport. Berardi has done what Dybala did in one season for THREE seasons in a row. With less support than Dybala had from Vazquez's good year.

Berardi has consistency for three years with less. How is he "nowhere near" Dybala in terms of talent?
 

TheLaz

Senior Member
Oct 6, 2011
5,536
I hope you are being sarcastic.

If anything, Dybala's hype was based primarily on his passport. Berardi has done what Dybala did in one season for THREE seasons in a row. With less support than Dybala had from Vazquez's good year.

Berardi has consistency for three years with less. How is he "nowhere near" Dybala in terms of talent?
ItalJuve is the number one reason people hype Berardi. So that we can have an Juve Azzurri. I like this thought as well. But only if the players truly are the best possible candidates to join Juve. It seems to me, some people will rather have a 4/5 star rated player with Italian passport then a 5/5 star rated player of, say, Mexican passport. This is absurd thinking!

How is Dybala's passport helping him?

I won't go into detail on the primary differences between Dybala and Berardi because to me it's rather obvious. I can sum up my point by saying Dybala has the skills only few have, whereas "Berardi's" are more common.

What abilities do you see Berardi improve and potentially become world class at? Finishing and set-pieces. That's pretty much it. Dybala has so much more to his game.
 

Knowah

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Jan 28, 2013
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ItalJuve is the number one reason people hype Berardi. So that we can have an Juve Azzurri. I like this thought as well. But only if the players truly are the best possible candidates to join Juve. It seems to me, some people will rather have a 4/5 star rated player with Italian passport then a 5/5 star rated player of, say, Mexican passport. This is absurd thinking!

How is Dybala's passport helping him?

I won't go into detail on the primary differences between Dybala and Berardi because to me it's rather obvious. I can sum up my point by saying Dybala has the skills only few have, whereas "Berardi's" are more common.

What abilities do you see Berardi improve and potentially become world class at? Finishing and set-pieces. That's pretty much it. Dybala has so much more to his game.
Ah, yes, the armchair "obvious qualities" argument. Well, Mr. Professional Scout, I don't know how to respond to your "obvious" qualities assertation. I too have never seen an "obviously" talent player not become world class once deemed an "obvious" talent.

And I'll add that I had reservations when we were rumored to sign him, mixed with hope that he fulfills his promise because FORZA JUVE but let's not talk as if Dybala is a super star here. Or even close. Nor is Berardi. They're both young, talented forwards.

2012-present, Berardi scores more, assists more. He also has another year of professional football more than Dybala despite being younger. He has better techique, less flair (when you say qualities for Dybala you mean dribble and flair because it's about the only thing he does better than Berardi by any measure). Berardi plays more positions (CF, SS, RW) to Dybala (SS). Berardi doesn't get pushed off the ball like Dybala. Berardi is more physical (too physical often, look at his cautions) but he also has been made the leader of a club below his talent for his entire career so far. He has never had the service Dubala had at Palermo and has now at Juve. NEVER. And look what he's done. While sharing striker duties with Zaza who, despite his deficiencies, scored goals at Sassuolo.

Berardi scores at a higher average, scores against better competition.

And how did Dybala's passport help him? Really? Hmmm, let me think.

http://m.goal.com/s/en/news/723/serie-a/2015/10/10/16194902/messi-dybala-destined-for-greatness
http://www.espnfc.us/palermo/story/...aldo-messi-and-zlatan-says-palermos-zamparini

Totally not getting that young Argentinian hype, future Messi hype, fancy flair South American hype.

Again, I have hope for Dybala and he's looked good so far. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. And let's not discount a PROVEN three year gosl scorer in Berardi for a flancy, promising one year scorer who has always had the support in Dybala. Give Berardi Vazquez for a year and watch haha and if you think it's JUST a "he's Italian" thing, you're missing it.

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One we paid 40m for, the other we'll pay 20m for.

One has scored like 18 goals since 2012 in 4700 or so minutes, the other has scored 33 goals since 2012 in something like 5400 minutes.

One had amazing service then and now, the other has never had amazing service.

You guess which is which.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,499
Mostly good albeit onesided points, except Berardi is yet to play CF, while Dybala has played it for couple of years. Berardi is an RW that drifts in, he has played in only a 4-3-3 and on the right for all seasons in his club and for the Azzurrini so far. Also he has excellent technique, but not really better at all, would say Dybala has the edge. And the physical part, its one of Berardi's weaknesses, he runs alot and off the ball in very smart ways (his best asset besides the mean left/finishing skills), but he is completely not a fighter when pressured, in fact he opts to dive way too much and doesnt really commit much to protected himself with the ball (the yellows are more for his work rate and ill disciplined when trying to win back balls). Thats something Dybala does more, he fights in duels and stays up as much as possible, despite being quite clearly weakish. It helps that he has more of a burtst of accelaration then Berardi does. Who I figure opts for dives/looks for freekicks plenty because he is not much a natural dribbler when caught in a tight spot/not too much of a speedster, so he if he cant cut in and shoot/cross/pass back when covered, he tends to go for the 2nd best which is look to be fouled/get a freekick.



But I agree wholeheartedly with not underestimating what a effective beast Berardi is at such a young age :tup:
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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The director also hinted that Sassuolo’s Domenico Berardi could arrive in Turin next summer, despite selling him outright this year.

“At the moment he’s totally owned by Sassuolo,” Marotta explained.

“We’re monitoring him, and we’ll have a consultation at the end of the season. We have an excellent relationship with Sassuolo.”
 

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