Domenico Berardi (17 Viewers)

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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How is that not true? He is not a neither quick nor really able to dribble his way through markers much, key opponents of being dangerous on the counter.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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How is that not true? He is not a neither quick nor really able to dribble his way through markers much, key opponents of being dangerous on the counter.
Im not as smart as you Osman but I think there is a difference between "an issue on counterattacks" and "being dangerous on counterattacks". Can you confirm please? Also, please remind me who made a key assist to Dybala on a counterattack in the 1st leg vs Bayern
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
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You said Mandzukic would be an issue on counters in CL. Thats not true
Dont try to shift the goalposts now.You very well know what i said.You have basically admitted that in your following post we'll be 'less dangerous' with Mandzukic on counters which is precisely my point because our improvements in our counter attacking game is what got us to a final.
That assist(which was off Kimmich's error) isnt any indication that we'd be dangerous on the break with Mandzukic than compared to what Morata brings to the table.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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Im not as smart as you Osman but I think there is a difference between "an issue on counterattacks" and "being dangerous on counterattacks". Can you confirm please? Also, please remind me who made a key assist to Dybala on a counterattack in the 1st leg vs Bayern
:tup: :lol2:
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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We have seen Dybala bursting from deep pretty often.It would also help if we have a MF carry the ball forward from deep positions like Gomes?

Only issue with counters in cl would be Mandzukic
Dont try to shift the goalposts now.You very well know what i said.
Sorry i cant read minds, only whats written down. If you meant something else you should have said so.

You have basically admitted that in your following post we'll be 'less dangerous' with Mandzukic on counters which is precisely my point because our improvements in our counter attacking game is what got us to a final.
That assist(which was off Kimmich's error) isnt any indication that we'd be dangerous on the break with Mandzukic than compared to what Morata brings to the table.
Morata is a one man counterattacking army, there isn't a single CF that can replicate what he does, so ofcourse we will lose a deadly weapon. But we can still be dangerous on the counter with Mandzukic on the team which is why I said your original statement was wrong
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
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Its confirmed? Weird, then why did he say we will keep him in the squad. Maybe they just expect to use him as depth after pre-season.
Yeah, he had a serious injury like one or 2 months ago... but i hope he will be given a chance in the team. His phisycality and technique is something we would surely use. Im just hoping he will recover on time for some of the preseason at least.

We have seen Dybala bursting from deep pretty often.It would also help if we have a MF carry the ball forward from deep positions like Gomes?

Only issue with counters in cl would be Mandzukic
Missing Morata´s and cuadrado´s pace is a serious blow. IM just hoping that we will have some counterattacking play in our new future line up...beause ill miss for sure those 2 running at the opposition.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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Im not as smart as you Osman but I think there is a difference between "an issue on counterattacks" and "being dangerous on counterattacks". Can you confirm please? Also, please remind me who made a key assist to Dybala on a counterattack in the 1st leg vs Bayern
When you try to deny the obvious you succumb to semantics and corny ass jokes lol. He made that assist by using one of his strengths aka pressure and win the ball high against a carefree and sloppy Bayern defense (Neuers fault mostly), how is that an indication of him being good/ideal for counters? He is a target player, he can try to bulldoze his way through defences on some counters but usually he is NOT remotely good at it, he is more adept of playing lay offs or heading/receiving long balls. He is pretty much lacking when he has to run into space with speed with or without the ball, and doesnt the technicality to dribble his way out of trouble in such quick counters either.

He generally been little more useful team player/well rounded then Morata, but if there is a HUGE drawback for us in using him instead of Morata in CL then that is 100% the counters. Alvaro litterally kills at such a scenario while Mandzu is just barely average at it. On that aspect alone it is an issue and CLEAR drawback to downsize our strength in it(especially more so when we arent the ball dominating type of team in big games, need all the advantage we can get on counters). Even Zaza is better at this despite his awful first touch.
 

Cheesio

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Jul 11, 2006
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When you try to deny the obvious you succumb to semantics and corny ass jokes lol. He made that assist by using one of his strengths aka pressure and win the ball high against a carefree and sloppy Bayern defense (Neuers fault mostly), how is that an indication of him being good/ideal for counters? He is a target player, he can try to bulldoze his way through defences on some counters but usually he is NOT remotely good at it, he is more adept of playing lay offs or heading/receiving long balls. He is pretty much lacking when he has to run into space with speed with or without the ball, and doesnt the technicality to dribble his way out of trouble in such quick counters either.

He generally been little more useful team player/well rounded then Morata, but if there is a HUGE drawback for us in using him instead of Morata in CL then that is 100% the counters. Alvaro litterally kills at such a scenario while Mandzu is just barely average at it. On that aspect alone it is an issue and CLEAR drawback to downsize our strength in it(especially more so when we arent the ball dominating type of team in big games, need all the advantage we can get on counters). Even Zaza is better at this despite his awful first touch.

:agree: 100%
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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good/ideal on counters :sergio: i stopped reading there, maybe you should read what I disagreed with Xperd about 1st. He said Mandzukic is an issue on counters (later said he didn't mean it that way), which is the part I disagreed with. So unless you think our team will have issues to counter with Mandzukic on the pitch dont waste my time please
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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good/ideal on counters :sergio: i stopped reading there, maybe you should read what I disagreed with Xperd about 1st. He said Mandzukic is an issue on counters (later said he didn't mean it that way), which is the part I disagreed with. So unless you think our team will have issues to counter with Mandzukic on the pitch dont waste my time please
Well, if you're not good on counters, that's sort of an issue, no?
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Well, if you're not good on counters, that's sort of an issue, no?
It is if that was true about Mandzukic. But him not being as fast as Morata with the ball doesent mean he's a bad player on the counter. A team can easily start a counterattack with Mandzukic as the CF
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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It is if that was true about Mandzukic. But him not being as fast as Morata with the ball doesent mean he's a bad player on the counter. A team can easily start a counterattack with Mandzukic as the CF
Yes. But can you honestly say Mandzukic is capable of that Morata dribble vs Bayern?
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Yes. But can you honestly say Mandzukic is capable of that Morata dribble vs Bayern?
Obviously no CF can. He can however receive a ball under pressure, pass it to Pogba/Sandro or Dybala/Alves or whoever else is there and run without the ball. Other players can run with the ball and Mandzukic wont have to do it
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Obviously no CF can. He can however receive a ball under pressure, pass it to Pogba/Sandro or Dybala/Alves or whoever else is there and run without the ball. Other players can run with the ball and Mandzukic wont have to do it
Yes. I'm not disagreeing with you. But surely Morata is much better on the counter than Mandzukic ever will be. In that sense losing Morata hurts us and we need to fill that void with someone other than Mandzukic, because it isn't his biggest strength.
 

duranfj

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Jul 30, 2015
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As I said, he could be use as Simeone used Torres this season with Griezmann cutting out.

We should use Dybala and Berardi, both have good first touch and great mid-distance shot so It should work well against any UCL team

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Specially if we really get some masche/pjanic/Gomes players, our MF would be years ahead of Atletico
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Yes. I'm not disagreeing with you. But surely Morata is much better on the counter than Mandzukic ever will be. In that sense losing Morata hurts us and we need to fill that void with someone other than Mandzukic, because it isn't his biggest strength.
yes agree with that, Morata is unstoppable on the counter and i dont think we can replace that with a new CF. a new winger or AM would be better and might help us fill the void, i dont see us turn into a terrible counterattacking team all of sudden however
 

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