Domenico Berardi - AM R - Sassuolo (11 Viewers)

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JuveJay

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€40M is what Sassuolo is rumored to be asking for but we could potentially lower that by including some players in the deal, still a costly operation nonetheless.

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In my opinion Berardi should be kept only as a last resort alternative after we first already tried everything for Di Maria, pushed for Mane who is also rumored to be on the market or even to see what Gnabry’s situation at Bayern is.
How can you mention Berardi and then just casually drift to Mane? That is a completely different kind of operation, different cost, different position.
 

Alin

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How can you mention Berardi and then just casually drift to Mane? That is a completely different kind of operation, different cost, different position.
I'm just mentioning those are among the names a club like Juventus should be targeting and doing everything for to immediately get back to the top before switching to panic alternatives such as Berardi, as all of them are rumored to be available this summer and we will likely end up overpaying with Sassuolo anyway...

Mane for example is in his last year of contract with Liverpool and is asking to leave, the rumored transfer fee is also mentioned to be under €40M, wages and sign-on fee will obviously be much more than what Berardi would demand but overall costs at the end of the day would still be perceived as a market opportunity compared to what he could bring to the team and what his real market value is. Same applies to Di Maria or even Gnabry, maybe they just don't want to join Juventus afterall and choose to rather go somewhere else , who can blame them? but i am saying we should at least be trying for someone closer to those profiles first rather than take gambles by investing too much in someone that might not have what it takes to step up and get us back to winning ways.
 

Knowah

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Mane for example is in his last year of contract with Liverpool and is asking to leave, the rumored transfer fee is also mentioned to be under €40M, wages and sign-on fee will obviously be much more than what Berardi would demand but overall costs at the end of the day would still be perceived as a market opportunity compared to what he could bring to the team and what his real market value is. Same applies to Di Maria or even Gnabry, maybe they just don't want to join Juventus afterall and choose to rather go somewhere else , who can blame them? but i am saying we should at least be trying for someone closer to those profiles first rather than take gambles by investing too much in someone that might not have what it takes to step up and get us back to winning ways.
But Mane doesn't want to come here. So speculating that a Mane-like operation would be better is all well and good but if the player doesn't want to come here, whats the point? There are a ton of options I like better than Berardi too but if they don't want to come here, using them as examples isn't a good example.

Kostic should definitely be considered as well as several other Bundesliga strikers/wingers that are younger than Berardi imo. The dream would be Nkunku but otherwise players like Diaby, Wirtz, Szoboszlai, Kostic, Kainz, Wimmer, Sallai all are younger players with promise and most would not cost 30m imo. Nkunku and Diaby obviously would, probably Wirtz and Szoboszlai as well but the rest should not cost 30m.

I think the club needs to take a hard look at the transfer strategy and realize that the possibilities with getting early 20s wingers who are showing attacking promise has a lot of benefits to it. Jumping into the market EARLY on a player bears some responsibility with developing them but also with that responsibility is a lot of the financia benefits. And the financial risks. But trying to play the big financial dick contest with Prem League clubs, Bayern, Real, and PSG is a losing game. The sooner the club realizes there is a step on the transfer totem pole higher than RB Salzburg but lower than Manchester City the better. We need to sit there. I'm not saying we become a completely selling club but in this day and age a player coming and staying his entire career is unheard of, even in Italy. So why do we continue to have that mentality and fight over players who are already at their peak in terms of cost/value?

The entire squad does not need to be these types of players but 2-3 SHOULD be that level. Players like Nkunku who Leipzig bought from PSG for 13m like three years ago and is still only 24. This could've been the backup striker we need three years ago who transitions and develops into the starter or second striker we need now and want. He's wages were never anything insane and now he'll probably be sold for 80m.

Europe is full of these players and they should be targetted as supplementary pieces to our squad who gradually work their way into becoming strong players on the squad and after that time if they want to go to the Prem or Bayern or PSG - it is what it is. Those are the times we live in. Sell and run away with the 80m transfer fee.
 

zizinho

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Don't mind this signing but we need more players on the wings. Chiesa is out half a year and our only other player there is Cuads, who isn't a starter anymore either. One (potential) top winger needs to come
 

Alin

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But Mane doesn't want to come here. So speculating that a Mane-like operation would be better is all well and good but if the player doesn't want to come here, whats the point? There are a ton of options I like better than Berardi too but if they don't want to come here, using them as examples isn't a good example.

Kostic should definitely be considered as well as several other Bundesliga strikers/wingers that are younger than Berardi imo. The dream would be Nkunku but otherwise players like Diaby, Wirtz, Szoboszlai, Kostic, Kainz, Wimmer, Sallai all are younger players with promise and most would not cost 30m imo. Nkunku and Diaby obviously would, probably Wirtz and Szoboszlai as well but the rest should not cost 30m.

I think the club needs to take a hard look at the transfer strategy and realize that the possibilities with getting early 20s wingers who are showing attacking promise has a lot of benefits to it. Jumping into the market EARLY on a player bears some responsibility with developing them but also with that responsibility is a lot of the financia benefits. And the financial risks. But trying to play the big financial dick contest with Prem League clubs, Bayern, Real, and PSG is a losing game. The sooner the club realizes there is a step on the transfer totem pole higher than RB Salzburg but lower than Manchester City the better. We need to sit there. I'm not saying we become a completely selling club but in this day and age a player coming and staying his entire career is unheard of, even in Italy. So why do we continue to have that mentality and fight over players who are already at their peak in terms of cost/value?

The entire squad does not need to be these types of players but 2-3 SHOULD be that level. Players like Nkunku who Leipzig bought from PSG for 13m like three years ago and is still only 24. This could've been the backup striker we need three years ago who transitions and develops into the starter or second striker we need now and want. He's wages were never anything insane and now he'll probably be sold for 80m.

Europe is full of these players and they should be targetted as supplementary pieces to our squad who gradually work their way into becoming strong players on the squad and after that time if they want to go to the Prem or Bayern or PSG - it is what it is. Those are the times we live in. Sell and run away with the 80m transfer fee.
I agree, there are plenty of better examples, the Mane one was just a suggestion given the current opportunity that opened up with him asking to leave with only one year left on his contract but i am well aware we are far from being able to convince him to come here, was just saying that he would be an ideal profile for us to pursue and could have had a similar immediate impact as Di Maria would have.

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Now going back to Berardi it's just a rumor anyway, Sassuolo probably would be ready to let him go for something closer to €30M but are just playing hard ball first to make sure they milk the most out of it...

If he does end up coming here than so be it, i surely will be hoping he does well and proves us wrong, certainly has the talent and creativity to do it but nonetheless having doubts at this stage regarding his mentality and whether he can replicate that form in a very different system and environment to what he got accustomed to is just as warranted,even more so when the numbers are inflated and our budget is limited. Only time will tell how this one pans out.
 

Bianconero81

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Don't mind this signing but we need more players on the wings. Chiesa is out half a year and our only other player there is Cuads, who isn't a starter anymore either. One (potential) top winger needs to come
Retardi is not a top winger - he's not a top anything. He's the Immobile of wingers, happily stat padding in Sass, convincing everyone he's actually a quality player, concealing the true Jabroni shell that lurks underneath and shall be cruelly exposed should he move to a high-pressure environment. This faggot was abysmal for Italy in the WC qualifiers and slowly faded into obscurity as the Euros Progressed. Fuck him and fuck him hard. Anything above 20 million + some small fry contropartita as plusvalenza is daylight robbery for this dud in the making.

For 30 million, there are tons of quality players elsewhere - Bundesliga, Eredivisie, South America, The Balkans. We can even pick up a few Thais, a couple of Pinoys and a handful of Indians for that kind of money.
 

Bianconero81

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Di Maria and now Berardi...

Damn, we're so outdated as a club

Our scouting department basically doesn't exist
Or they're too lazy to do their job.

I am all for Kostic, because even though he's a year older, he actually performs for both club and country and was the Europa League player of the tournament (against decent level competition). He's also going to cost, conceivably, half of what retardi will.
 

JuveJay

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Cherubini has been buying random kids from all corners of the globe for years, it's nothing to do with our scouting network or reach, it's because we've always gone for more domestic or experienced players. I've said this before but does anyone seriously think we don't know at least every talented player in the top 4 or 5 leagues?

I still don't buy a lot of it until club staff pass comment, we really have no idea what moves they are making.
 

Pirlo's Beard

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Oct 2, 2013
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Di Maria and now Berardi...

Damn, we're so outdated as a club

Our scouting department basically doesn't exist

Yeah it's dreadful. Which is fine if you're filthy rich and can just buy players literally everybody knows about but we're not. Instead of finding some hidden gems early on in their careers we just shop at Fiorentina
 

X Æ A-12

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Cherubini has been buying random kids from all corners of the globe for years, it's nothing to do with our scouting network or reach, it's because we've always gone for more domestic or experienced players. I've said this before but does anyone seriously think we don't know at least every talented player in the top 4 or 5 leagues?

I still don't buy a lot of it until club staff pass comment, we really have no idea what moves they are making.
I don't know where you get the nerve to show up here, second week of June, not melting down about the mercato and Cherubini's clear incompetence
 

Pirlo's Beard

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The thing that always pissed me off is that even when you take into consideration a lot of prospects inevitably don't work out we STILL have had so many terrible players in recent years that have big wages and have been consistently out performed man for man against the worst teams in the league

Berna for example was a winger who rarely fucking scored or assisted. De Sciglio and Sandro are full backs that offer absolutely nothing offensively and fuck up at the back every 50 minutes... You're telling me we can't find prospects with a higher ceiling than that?
 

j0ker

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Or they're too lazy to do their job.

I am all for Kostic, because even though he's a year older, he actually performs for both club and country and was the Europa League player of the tournament (against decent level competition). He's also going to cost, conceivably, half of what retardi will.
If Berardi was not Italian and playing for a Bundesliga/French team you would be fapping over him.

What has Kostic done for Serbia? Probably till last month you did not know he existed. And I don't get why people judge players on how they perform for their NT? A lot of WC players were meh for their NT.
 

zizinho

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Retardi is not a top winger - he's not a top anything. He's the Immobile of wingers, happily stat padding in Sass, convincing everyone he's actually a quality player, concealing the true Jabroni shell that lurks underneath and shall be cruelly exposed should he move to a high-pressure environment. This faggot was abysmal for Italy in the WC qualifiers and slowly faded into obscurity as the Euros Progressed. Fuck him and fuck him hard. Anything above 20 million + some small fry contropartita as plusvalenza is daylight robbery for this dud in the making.

For 30 million, there are tons of quality players elsewhere - Bundesliga, Eredivisie, South America, The Balkans. We can even pick up a few Thais, a couple of Pinoys and a handful of Indians for that kind of money.
I didn't say he was, I just said we needed to sign one, regardless of Berardi coming or not coming
 
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