Domenico Berardi - AM R - Sassuolo (17 Viewers)

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#10

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Jul 28, 2002
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One of my favourite Tuz adjectives is Jabroni.

I checked the dictionary and expected a picture of Jack Bona or De Sciglio. This guy could easily join this list. Poor for Italy, reasonable fish in a small pond, lots of red cards, wimped out of joining us before. Why on earth is he ready now?
 

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jukazem

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I am guessing his feelings about Juve might have changed after his time with the Azzurri. I would take him if he is committed to coming to Juve. Guaranteed goals and assists in Serie A, more so than Morata or Kean for instance.
 

Bianconero81

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If we buy Molina then Cuadrado will be used completely as a winger.
Chiesa Cuardaro Berardi Kostic, not bad.
Not great either. Cuads is entering the final stages of his career, Chiesa is recovering from injury, and neither of the other two is exactly world class, nowhere near in fact. A 7/10 and I am being extremely generous.

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If Berardi was not Italian and playing for a Bundesliga/French team you would be fapping over him.

What has Kostic done for Serbia? Probably till last month you did not know he existed. And I don't get why people judge players on how they perform for their NT? A lot of WC players were meh for their NT.
Kostic is going to cost 15 million, probably 20 max, which is an acceptable outlay for someone who's 29 years old and has no resale value. I never said Kostic was World Class - he's solid and dependable. He has also performed well in the Europa League. Also, playing for Serbia isn't the same as playing for Italy.

What part of a soon to be 28 year old with no resale value and no upside do you not understand? He's not a has been, he's a never was. As in never left his comfort zone to challenge himself elsewhere. I don't judge on NT performances alone. Retardi is not WC and you're a completely delusional fool if you think otherwise. Where exactly has Retardi excelled? He's only ever played in Serie A for Sassuolo. Do you know how many players have put up impressive numbers for minor clubs only to fail elsewhere? A gazillion.

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One of my favourite Tuz adjectives is Jabroni.

I checked the dictionary and expected a picture of Jack Bona or De Sciglio. This guy could easily join this list. Poor for Italy, reasonable fish in a small pond, lots of red cards, wimped out of joining us before. Why on earth is he ready now?
Because he had 15 goals and 17 assists Bro. He's a monster. He can score penals and look like Immobile in a black and green shirt. He has that Marinara sauce oozing and that all important Serie A experience, so ding dongs over here seem to think he's going to tear it up for us, and don't mind spending 30 million on him - 30 million for a turd nugget.
 
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Boksic

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May 11, 2005
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I have no doubt if he flops here we won't be able to sell him on and he will happily milk us dry for the excessive wages we'll throw at him.

30m is too much given our budget, the high risk on him being unproven in any side that isn't built around him, his mediocre performances for Italy and the lack of resale value he'll have.
 
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Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
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I have no doubt if he flops here we won't able to sell him on and he will happily milk us dry for the excessive wags we'll throw at him.

30m is too much given our budget, the high risk on him being unproven in any side that isn't built around him, his mediocre performances for Italy and the lack of resale value he'll have.
I mean, if we're willing to splash 30 million on this guy, we might as well try for Zaniolo for 35 + Rovella or something along those lines. Yes, he has two cracked knees, but he's younger and with huge upside. The talent level of the two isn't even comparable.
 
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I have no doubt if he flops here we won't be able to sell him on and he will happily milk us dry for the excessive wags we'll throw at him.

30m is too much given our budget, the high risk on him being unproven in any side that isn't built around him, his mediocre performances for Italy and the lack of resale value he'll have.
I don’t mind him if it’s Di Maria + Berardi. Or Zaniolo and Berardi

But him as the main signing would be a disappointment
 

j0ker

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Jan 5, 2006
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Not great either. Cuads is entering the final stages of his career, Chiesa is recovering from injury, and neither of the other two is exactly world class, nowhere near in fact. A 7/10 and I am being extremely generous.

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Kostic is going to cost 15 million, probably 20 max, which is an acceptable outlay for someone who's 29 years old and has no resale value. I never said Kostic was World Class - he's solid and dependable. He has also performed well in the Europa League. Also, playing for Serbia isn't the same as playing for Italy.

What part of a soon to be 28 year old with no resale value and no upside do you not understand? He's not a has been, he's a never was. As in never left his comfort zone to challenge himself elsewhere. I don't judge on NT performances alone. Retardi is not WC and you're a completely delusional fool if you think otherwise. Where exactly has Retardi excelled? He's only ever played in Serie A for Sassuolo. Do you know how many players have put up impressive numbers for minor clubs only to fail elsewhere? A gazillion.

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Because he had 15 goals and 17 assists Bro. He's a monster. He can score penals and look like Immobile in a black and green shirt. He has that Marinara sauce oozing and that all important Serie A experience, so ding dongs over here seem to think he's going to tear it up for us, and don't mind spending 30 million on him - 30 million for a turd nugget.

I never said Berardi is WC, but plenty of WC players weren't even 50% as good for their NT compared to club performances. Then you have Podolski who was amazing for Germany, meh for the clubs he played for.

Also, I never said I wanted Berardi even a few posts above I called him a big fish in a small pond. But unlike you, I can't be 100% sure he will fail outside Sassuolo, I can't belittle his goals and assists either just because he scored them for a midtable team. By that logic we shouldn't go for SMS, Bremer or any other player in the world who is not either under 22, or is already playing for a top club.

If Kostic is worth 20mln then Berardi is worth 30mln, and they don't even play the same position so I don't even know why we are having this discussion. Kostic could only come if Morata leaves, while we need a RW that's why the names of Di Maria and Berardi pop up. If it were up to me I would go for Gnabry though.
 

Xperd

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Jun 1, 2012
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I remember similar "overrated, overpriced Italian" comments before Chiesa. I love it, bring him on.
Except that he's a 28 year old Italian with very little top level experience. And in that little top level experience, he was a gigantic flop for Italy.

I'm really not sure he's going to get any better than his current level and I'm sure given the way we play, he's not going to produce the same numbers like he does for Sassuolo.

That said, I don't really mind him if he's cheap because we need wingers but I don't think he's going to be cheap or reasonable. Pretty much the main point of contention for most people here.
 

AFL_ITALIA

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Except that he's a 28 year old Italian with very little top level experience. And in that little top level experience, he was a gigantic flop for Italy.

I'm really not sure he's going to get any better than his current level and I'm sure given the way we play, he's not going to produce the same numbers like he does for Sassuolo.

That said, I don't really mind him if he's cheap because we need wingers but I don't think he's going to be cheap or reasonable. Pretty much the main point of contention for most people here.
He's 27, and I really don't think that matters much considering people speak about him like he's 42. Even if he doesn't improve in the slightest, he's still vastly superior to the majority of our players at the moment, this is undenyable. The man almost single-handedly carries Sassuolo for years now with double digit goals and assists. We went out and bought a very expensive young striker, now think about who we have that can create for him. I can think of two players, one is coming back from a very serious injury and the other is currently 34 years old. Bringing in a player that assists about ever other game is exactly what we need. As much as I desperately care about what happens with the national team, it has almost no relevance to here.

About his production, if Allegri likes him and thinks that he would fit in his system, I'm inclined to believe him, especially considering we're supposed to be giving him more trust now.


But I think a player that can dribble and control the ball like he can will be useful pretty much anywhere he goes and would probably be a breath of fresh air to our stale team.

That's fair. Price can't be known for sure until a deal is done. As I said, he a player in his prime that basically carries Sassuolo and has excellent numbers, €40M sounds about right when you consider what he provides for them, but I'm sure it will either be reduced a bit or broken into separate payments per usual.
 

Powis

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Dec 9, 2009
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It's tough to make a strong opinion about this possible transfer. I wouldn't say I want him at Juve but I remember being very sceptical about Chiesa too. Then he put Juve shirt on and won me over in 3 fucking games.
 

Bianconero_Aus

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May 26, 2009
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It's tough to make a strong opinion about this possible transfer. I wouldn't say I want him at Juve but I remember being very sceptical about Chiesa too. Then he put Juve shirt on and won me over in 3 fucking games.
Chiesa always had the grinta and maniacal will to win when playing for Fiorentina. He always looked like a special talent for me.
 

Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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I remember similar "overrated, overpriced Italian" comments before Chiesa. I love it, bring him on.
There is a big difference though..
Chiesa - Fast can dribble but his main asset is actually his determination and work rate.
Berardi is talented but he isnt anywhere close to Chiesa in terms of determination and work rate.

I`d take him if we cant bring Di Maria. It is still a gamble as he is coming from an ultra attacking team to one who is more known for its counters but Im sure he can at least be good if not great.
His price is not that high and reflects his age and talent.
I thought people would react better to this potential move.

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Chiesa always had the grinta and maniacal will to win when playing for Fiorentina. He always looked like a special talent for me.
and as a Fiorentina player he has an obligation to join us.. ;)
 

Buck Fuddy

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May 22, 2009
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I have no doubt if he flops here we won't be able to sell him on and he will happily milk us dry for the excessive wags we'll throw at him.

30m is too much given our budget, the high risk on him being unproven in any side that isn't built around him, his mediocre performances for Italy and the lack of resale value he'll have.
I'd be hesitant to sign him even if he was a free transfer.
Paying 30m for a player like him would be extremely weird. So weird, that I refuse to believe it right now.
 

X Æ A-12

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so we let go Bernardeschi to bring one year younger Bernardeschi?

makes sense...
Over the last three Serie A seasons Berardi has 46 goals and 35 assists in 94 appearances while Bernardeschi has 2 goals and 6 assists in 84 appearances

il nuovo Bernardeschi tho

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If Berardi was Brazilian or Croatian you'd all be emptying your loads over him
 
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