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The Grimreaper
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OR, hear me out, we were doing both?

Which sounds more likely? That we JUST SUDDENLY OUT OF NOWHERE WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY THINKING HOW AMATEURISH IS THIS FUCKING SHIT decided in the last 24-48 hours to switch our whole team strategy around and go 3-4-3.

Or, and hear me out on this one again, we always had this plan and can do two things at one time. We can play a formation our guys are mostly comfortable in (3-5-2) awhile still planning and hoping to make sales and purchases to get the pieces necessary to make 3-4-3 effective as well.

Possible?

Nah, you're probably right. Club management and leadership totally just decided this out of no where in the last few minutes.
Ok, I hear you and lets say you are rigth... then why not testing the formation for more than just a few minutes in one game? Why try to make Illing a mezzala?
 

DanielSz

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Sep 6, 2014
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OR, hear me out, we were doing both?

Which sounds more likely? That we JUST SUDDENLY OUT OF NOWHERE WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY THINKING HOW AMATEURISH IS THIS FUCKING SHIT decided in the last 24-48 hours to switch our whole team strategy around and go 3-4-3.

Or, and hear me out on this one again, we always had this plan and can do two things at one time. We can play a formation our guys are mostly comfortable in (3-5-2) awhile still planning and hoping to make sales and purchases to get the pieces necessary to make 3-4-3 effective as well.

Possible?

Nah, you're probably right. Club management and leadership totally just decided this out of no where in the last few minutes.
theres this section of juve fans that are almost rooting against them (whether its games, tactics, mercato, etc) just so their misery can be validated. Odd behavior.
 

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I don't know why gazzetta puts Sandro there instead of Gatti, just ignore it lul.

But still this lineup looks ... underwhleming
Controversial opinion, that's a much better lineup than we had last season or then I would have expected if we signed lukaku and played 3-5-2 but Tuz gotta moan and bitch so

- no lukaku

- vlahovic will actually get service/ wont be isolated up front

- gameplan suits all the #6s we have in the middle, no more expecting players like rabiot to be some kind of offensive/ goal threat
 

DanielSz

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Controversial opinion, that's a much better lineup than we had last season or then I would have expected if we signed lukaku and played 3-5-2 but Tuz gotta moan and bitch so

- no lukaku

- vlahovic will actually get service/ wont be isolated up front

- gameplan suits all the #6s we have in the middle, no more expecting players like rabiot to be some kind of offensive/ goal threat
that double pivot with rabiot and locatelli failed pretty much every time they tried it last season, and they tried a lot. Thats probably where a Cambiaso could come into play with his ability to invert. Might be even better with Fagioli replacing one of Rabiot/Loca. Maybe even Hans (I'm penciling him in until hes on another team lol)
 

Knowah

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Ok, I hear you and lets say you are rigth... then why not testing the formation for more than just a few minutes in one game? Why try to make Illing a mezzala?
There could be many reasons not to test the formation in friendlies. Here's just a few.

- Friendlies, especially overseas, are more fitness tests than anything else. Getting players fit for the season. Tactics and formations (more on these later) are usually more taught and worked on in training. That reality also has its reasons: being secretive of tactics, wanting players to feel more comfortable so you work on it in 7v7 privately, player availability, etc.

- Formations in reality v formations in discussion are very different. You say it was only tested a few minutes in one game but is that reality? 3-5-2 already was operated like a 3-4-3 with the winger/wingback flexibility of Weah in both friendlies I watched multiple times. He would push forward and the rightmost midfielder (not a RWB or RM) would push further wide to support Weah. I feel like formations in chats and forums somehow take on this written in stone mentality when in reality and in practice its much more fluid. Just like how we played a three at the back at times last season but with Danilo as the right-most CB he could become more of a pseudo-RB in attack and we suddenly had a back four in attack as Cuadrado was more of a winger than a RB/RWB. Formations are not an all-or-nothing concept. Concepts of one can still be learned while operating in another.

- I want to emphasize again fitness and player availability. Maybe we had more wingers than could all play at the same time but Allegri just wanted Iling to get fitness so he picked him to play mid. It can be as simple as that. It's a friendly. It's not a training. And it's a friendly in America so its even less important. It's a glorifed marketing campaign to get your players facetime with a growing market. If you place any value on it more than that, I don't know what to tell you.

- Finally, in terms of Iling as a mezzala. There again could be many reasons and it really doesn't need to be that complicated. Iling could've just ASKED to do it. It's a friendly, iling wants minutes, Allegri probably want to give him minutes for fitness reasons and so iling could've just asked. Mezzalas already operate and drift wide from midfield. I mean, the word literally means half-winger. Hmm, now how does that apply to iling? Oh, I know, a winger. I mean, it can be that simple. Maybe Iling has shown the MOST improvement on-the-ball in training and him being tall and fast, maybe it was like "why not try him out?" I mean, again, they're in fucking the United States waving to fans and kissing babies. It's a media tour where they pretend to play serious. And they don't even really pretend much.

I think the dissonance is very similar to Twitter rumors. You're just taking too much at face-value and assuming the worst. It really could just be they wanted 14-16 people to all get minutes and Iling said "hey try me there coach" and so they fucking did. And? What's the issue?
 

DanielSz

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Sep 6, 2014
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There could be many reasons not to test the formation in friendlies. Here's just a few.

- Friendlies, especially overseas, are more fitness tests than anything else. Getting players fit for the season. Tactics and formations (more on these later) are usually more taught and worked on in training. That reality also has its reasons: being secretive of tactics, wanting players to feel more comfortable so you work on it in 7v7 privately, player availability, etc.

- Formations in reality v formations in discussion are very different. You say it was only tested a few minutes in one game but is that reality? 3-5-2 already was operated like a 3-4-3 with the winger/wingback flexibility of Weah in both friendlies I watched multiple times. He would push forward and the rightmost midfielder (not a RWB or RM) would push further wide to support Weah. I feel like formations in chats and forums somehow take on this written in stone mentality when it reality and in practice its much more fluid. Just like how we played a three at the back at times last season but with Danilo as the right-most CB he could become more of a pseudo-RB in attack and we suddenly had a back four in attack as Cuadrado was more of a winger than a RB/RWB. Formations are not an all-or-nothing concept. Concepts of one can still be learned while operating in another.

- I want to emphasize again fitness and player availability. Maybe we had more wingers than could all play at the same time but Allegri just wanted Iling to get fitness so he picked him to play mid. It can be as simple as that. It's a friendly. It's not a training. And it's a friendly in America so its even less important. It's a glorifed marketing campaign to get your players facetime with a growing market. If you place any value on it more than that, I don't know what to tell you.

- Finally, in terms of Iling as a mezzala. There again could be many reasons and it really doesn't need to be that complicated. Iling could've just ASKED to do it. It's a friendly, iling wants minutes, Allegri probably want to give him minutes for fitness reasons and so iling could've just asked. Mezzalas already operate and drift wide from midfield. I mean, the word literally means half-winger. Hmm, now how does that apply to iling? Oh, I know, a winger. I mean, it can be that simple. Maybe Iling has shown the MOST improvement on-the-ball in training and him being tall and fast, maybe it was like "why not try him out?" I mean, again, they're in fucking the United States waving to fans and kissing babies. It's a media tour where they pretend to play serious. And they don't even really pretend much.

I think the dissonance is very similar to Twitter rumors. You're just taking too much at face-value and assuming the worst. It really could just be they wanted 14-16 people to all get minutes and Iling said "hey try me there coach" and so they fucking did. And? What's the issue?
I have a theory as to why Iling was playing mezzala. Allegri was testing him out in more central areas to see if he could be a viable alternate to Cambiaso, who as weve seen likes to invert. Seems the way theyre gonna be utilizing their wingbacks this season is gonna be different than in seasons past. No more blind cross and prays 100x a game.
 

Knowah

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Jan 28, 2013
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I have a theory as to why Iling was playing mezzala. Allegri was testing him out in more central areas to see if he could be a viable alternate to Cambiaso, who as weve seen likes to invert. Seems the way theyre gonna be utilizing their wingbacks this season is gonna be different than in seasons past.
Yep, another idea. I didn't even want to get into the deep tactical reasons why.

It's cliche but there literally could be hundreds of reasons why Iling a winger was played as a half-winger (mezzala). Hundreds. Iling could've not wanted to run much wide and asked to play mid for fitness reasons but wanting the minutes. Iling could asked. Allegri could've asked. The players could've come together in discussion on the tactics and suggested Iling try it. I could keep going. Who the fuck knows.
 

AFL_ITALIA

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Jun 17, 2011
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I dont know of any 29 year olds who play outside of England, never played in a European club competition, is underwhelming for the national team is yet is somehow worth 30 mill. I guarantee you sassuolo would sell him for less to anyone else
Not that much of a difference from SMS.

Edit: actually, sounds similar to Di Natale. Imagine if we signed him at 29 :tuttosport:
 

mondo1

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May 14, 2006
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Wait people actually still think this club has any idea or a plan ? They have shown for the past five years that they have no clue in which direction they should go.

A 3-4-3 with this set of players is bound to fail but atleast Allegri will play it as a 5-4-1 or so


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