He's right though about the reasons and motivations. I still dunno if you're a disgusting human being though.
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I came here to post an experience with a friend, and given the nature of this thread a discussion was always going to arise. I won't deny arguing can be quite fun but to draw a conclusion and say I'm just trying to make myself feel right is ridiculous. There are others presenting their arguments and I don't see anyone calling them out.
Kudos to you for not thinking I'm a scumbag
Kudos to you for not thinking I'm a scumbag
Oh it's not only you, I think 90 percent of people that argue your side have the same motivation.
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I just got it what you remind me of when talking about god. Turk, just on the opposite side of the scale.
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Raz, with all due respect, of all the discussions I've had with you on the forum, if there's one thing that's stuck in my mind, it's that you believe in some non sense.
Zé even said the Quran was God's final word but noo the atheists are the bad guys 
No one has ever killed in the name of atheism. I know it makes you sound smart and politically correct the South Park way, but atheism is not like religion. Not even close.
You'd have to be downright delusional to believe Islam is going places. At least the Catholic Church is smart enough to realise it has to innovate.
Your point is that Hoori is frustrated about something that happened in the 7th century?
You'd have to be downright delusional to believe Islam is going places. At least the Catholic Church is smart enough to realise it has to innovate.
Your point is that Hoori is frustrated about something that happened in the 7th century?
No need for an atheist starter pack because it's a natural state of mind. No kid, teenager, young person will by himself come up with the idea that there is a man in the sky who created the universe AND cares if you eat pork unless the kid, teenager, young person is pounded with religious propaganda. Religions are man made to subjugate the masses. No surprise that religion scales with poverty.
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And what the hell man, with the same argument I could argue that virtually no one ever killed in the name of religion (and in fact I do believe that with lot of the wars/murders committed "in the name of religion", religion often did not play the dominant role).
For a concrete example, the Chapel Hill shooting.
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Actually some psychologists attribute humans to have a natural tendency to intuitively believe in some sort of higher power. Of course not in the form of concrete religions if left uninfluenced, but still.
And what the hell man, with the same argument I could argue that virtually no one ever killed in the name of religion (and in fact I do believe that with lot of the wars/murders committed "in the name of religion", religion often did not play the dominant role).
For a concrete example, the Chapel Hill shooting.
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Actually some psychologists attribute humans to have a natural tendency to intuitively believe in some sort of higher power. Of course not in the form of concrete religions if left uninfluenced, but still.
to believe as 'believe what they're told by their social environment on the topic of a higher power'
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to believe as 'to initiate the thought that the earth around them couldn't exist as a mere result of physical events throughout millions of years and come up that is had to be created by anybody'
If it's the former, I agree. If the latter I doubt it until I see a long term social experiment to prove it
I guess that's the reading comprehensionn skill that made you believe quran predicted bacteria
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to believe as 'to initiate the thought that the earth around them couldn't exist as a mere result of physical events throughout millions of years and come up that is had to be created by anybody'
If it's the former, I agree. If the latter I doubt it until I see a long term social experiment to prove it
I was just about to say this 
IgorTudor just gave an explanation of how belief in a higher being is innate to human nature, all the while trying to be a smartass.
IgorTudor just gave an explanation of how belief in a higher being is innate to human nature, all the while trying to be a smartass.
It's based on "religion" before it was written down, propagated and then enforced, when people needed explanations for things like atmospheric conditions and basic science.
I'd say the idea to know and understand the universe and the meaning of life falls to either religion or science, and sometimes they overlap. Religion simplifies it in a way, and a lot of people take comfort from that.
I'd say the idea to know and understand the universe and the meaning of life falls to either religion or science, and sometimes they overlap. Religion simplifies it in a way, and a lot of people take comfort from that.
None of that.
Concerning the first one, I don't know how you extracted that from my post.
The second one is way too specific already.
Let me put this way, do you know of any tribe, society, whatever, that does not have some sort of religion, spiritiuality; some sort of gods, demons, pantheism, spirits, etc? Even the intuitive, counter-rational believe in things such as fate or jinxing is evidence of a natural tendency to attribute things seen or experienced to something other than what can be rationally explained. Over time, social incluences,...these things develop into full-fledged religions that have to be taught, but the roots can be seen as innate to mankind.
Concerning the first one, I don't know how you extracted that from my post.
The second one is way too specific already.
Let me put this way, do you know of any tribe, society, whatever, that does not have some sort of religion, spiritiuality; some sort of gods, demons, pantheism, spirits, etc? Even the intuitive, counter-rational believe in things such as fate or jinxing is evidence of a natural tendency to attribute things seen or experienced to something other than what can be rationally explained. Over time, social incluences,...these things develop into full-fledged religions that have to be taught, but the roots can be seen as innate to mankind.
