Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (16 Viewers)

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  • Man make God?

  • God make Man?


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AndreaCristiano

Nato, Vive, e muore Italiano
Jun 9, 2011
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We are unique individuals afterall.

But I want you to read the last sentence in that quote long and hard. The assertion of an eternal entity is unbelievable.
Its unbelievable in your assertion but to me its the only logical end. We can continuously go to and find what came before but there will be a point when there can be no creator of the created and that point is when we realize that God is the only answer
 
Apr 15, 2006
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Its unbelievable in your assertion but to me its the only logical end. We can continuously go to and find what came before but there will be a point when there can be no creator of the created and that point is when we realize that God is the only answer
Yes, but you are fallaciously making a special case for a god which goes against your initial premise just so that you can avoid an infinite regression.

Read this post of mine from yesterday where I logically deduced that the universe coming from nothing is the only logical answer.

http://forum.juventuz.org/threads/2...kins-debate)?p=3997005&viewfull=1#post3997005
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
81,115
There has to be an alpha somewhere that wasn't created because creation had to have a beginning. Its like the theory of something from nothing in the big bang scenario. That the bang came from nothing then all of a sudden boom
But why can't it have been the big bang and why God? Why is a God more likely than a big bang occuring?
 
Apr 15, 2006
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Just came across the Chinese creation myth on Wiki:

Pangu can be interpreted as another creator deity. In the beginning there was nothing in the universe except a formless chaos. However this chaos began to coalesce into a cosmic egg for eighteen thousand years. Within it, the perfectly opposed principles of yin and yang became balanced and Pangu emerged (or woke up) from the egg. Pangu is usually depicted as a primitive, hairy giant with horns on his head (like the Greek Pan) and clad in furs. Pangu set about the task of creating the world: he separated Yin from Yang with a swing of his giant axe, creating the Earth (murky Yin) and the Sky (clear Yang). To keep them separated, Pangu stood between them and pushed up the Sky. This task took eighteen thousand years, with each day the sky grew ten feet higher, the Earth ten feet wider, and Pangu ten feet taller. In some versions of the story, Pangu is aided in this task by the four most prominent beasts, namely the Turtle, the Qilin, the Phoenix, and the Dragon.

After the eighteen thousand years had elapsed, Pangu was laid to rest. His breath became the wind; his voice the thunder; left eye the sun and right eye the moon; his body became the mountains and extremes of the world; his blood formed rivers; his muscles the fertile lands; his facial hair the stars and milky way; his fur the bushes and forests; his bones the valuable minerals; his bone marrows sacred diamonds; his sweat fell as rain; and the fleas on his fur carried by the wind became human beings all over the world. The distance from Earth and Sky at the end of the 18,000 years would have been 65,700,000 feet, or over 12,443 miles.
:lol:
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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There is also no evidence to disprove God so discounting personal experience is foolish and counter productive. Millions have seen ghosts or better yet Bigfoot yet no evidence either way but people are experiencing what they are experiencing so something is there
pretty sure the whole bigfoot thing is a myth, bro.

Doesn't really seem likely.

BTW your avatar reminds me of this pattern maker I had as a kid:

that looks like the most boring toy ever. not to mention it's pink.
 

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