Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (15 Viewers)

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Apr 15, 2006
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Yet there will never be evidence to disprove so how can evidence prove anything?
:wth: Are you kidding me?

Even though sensory alone points to the glory of God, the universe is full of his power and signs. But the atheist chooses to close his heart and give credit to terms like science and Mother Nature.
:lol: Non-sense!

Not at all, the basis of religion is rational. Read what I said closely. I said rationality only tells part of the story, not the full one.
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Sep 18, 2009
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When you speak of the most evolved, why don't we have for example the strongest bones, or why can't we fly, or why can't we run the fastest, or go the longest without food or water?

We are only the "most evolved" in certain aspects.

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:wth: Are you kidding me?



:lol: Non-sense!



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I still hold my original view of you, you're intimidated by religion.
 

acmilan

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Nov 8, 2005
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Yes just like in the 70's the prevailing scientific wisdom was global cooling and then came global warming and now climate change. Just because the direction seems concrete don't think it will stay that way
the global cooling train of thought had little to no basis in science, even the science of 40+ years ago, and was mostly based in popular culture stemming from people's fears of yet another apocalypse. there was as much actual science in that as there is in a cato institute study.

also, your example, as untrue as it may be anyway, doesn't hold much water in terms of length of scale either.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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You speak of evolution as though it's some sort of conscious power.

Even if evolution were completely true, it was certainly controlled.
It's controlled by environment, not a superbeing. There are countless examples, which you can see most clearly in isolated environments like Madagascar, Galapagos and Australia.
 
Apr 15, 2006
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He has given enough you just choose to attribute it to mother nature etc etc like I said science explains how God works for our minds not the why
No he's not. If he gave enough, I'd be a theist. The nature is proof for nature. It's not proof for god. An all-knowing god knows EXACTLY how much is needed to make me believe. By showing me other things, he's deliberate in making me an atheist. So the blame is ALL on him!

That is the whole test in the first place. Your own stubbornness and arrogance, which you deny by projecting it onto God, is what keeps you blind from realising the possibility of a higher power.
Test? Why would he want to test me when he already knows the answer? Is god not all-knowing?
 

acmilan

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Nov 8, 2005
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Not really. We are the only animals with reason , intellect and a theory of mind other animals will never receive those
what if an animal, say a sheep, believes in god. In the end, that's all god asks for, right? What makes you think he won't end up giving that sheep the gift of "reason, intellect and a theory of mind"? Do you claim to know god's thoughts?
 

AndreaCristiano

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Jun 9, 2011
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No he's not. If he gave enough, I'd be a theist. The nature is proof for nature. It's not proof for god. An all-knowing god knows EXACTLY how much is needed to make me believe. By showing me other things, he's deliberate in making me an atheist. So the blame is ALL on him!



Test? Why would he want to test me when he already knows the answer? Is god not all-knowing?
You sound like a petulant child mad at daddy because he didn't show you what you want to see
 

AndreaCristiano

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Jun 9, 2011
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what if an animal, say a sheep, believes in god. In the end, that's all god asks for, right? What makes you think he won't end up giving that sheep the gift of "reason, intellect and a theory of mind"?
There's a reason why the sheep is what it is and we are what we are. We are different than any other creature for the purpose of a relationship with God
 

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Sep 18, 2009
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No he's not. If he gave enough, I'd be a theist. The nature is proof for nature. It's not proof for god. An all-knowing god knows EXACTLY how much is needed to make me believe. By showing me other things, he's deliberate in making me an atheist. So the blame is ALL on him!



Test? Why would he want to test me when he already knows the answer? Is god not all-knowing?
So nature points to itself? It's like I see a sign on a highway that says "this sign points to itself, the sign" that makes sense.

Nature certainly points to God. Science is but a tool to understand the intricacies of God's creation.
 
Apr 15, 2006
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I'm just using your own words to make a point. PS stop mocking line break it doesn't make you any better than him. He has the flight to believe what and how he likes just like you
Hey, I'm just exercising my (supposedly god-given) free will to do what I want. Don't tell me what to do. You're not god.

I still hold my original view of you, you're intimidated by religion.
To be intimidated by religion, I need to believe its claims first. I don't believe, therefore I'm not intimidated. Your view is invalid.
 

AndreaCristiano

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Jun 9, 2011
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Hey, I'm just exercising my (supposedly god-given) free will to do what I want. Don't tell me what to do. You're not god.



To be intimidated by religion, I need to believe its claims first. I don't believe, therefore I'm not intimidated. Your view is invalid.
Doesn't mean you have to be an asshole sheik. Act like a man and discuss it with maturity if not go away and gain composure
 

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Sep 18, 2009
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Hey, I'm just exercising my (supposedly god-given) free will to do what I want. Don't tell me what to do. You're not god.



To be intimidated by religion, I need to believe its claims first. I don't believe, therefore I'm not intimidated. Your view is invalid.
Specifically, you're intimidated by the idea of monotheistic religion.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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When you speak of the most evolved, why don't we have for example the strongest bones, or why can't we fly, or why can't we run the fastest, or go the longest without food or water?

We are only the "most evolved" in certain aspects.
We don't need to be any of those things because of our superior intelligence to craft weapons, being the top predator. Now we can build planes and cars or go to the supermarket.



Why does an Aye-Aye have an abnormally long finger on its hand? To get grubs out of trees. Why do other members of the lemur family not have this? Because they don't need it, they branched off and developed other attributes that best suited their environment (in mainland Africa superior speed and agility, strength in numbers, to escape apex predators not found on Madagascar).
 

Linebreak

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Sep 18, 2009
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We don't need to be any of those things because of our superior intelligence to craft weapons, being the top predator. Now we can build planes and cars or go to the supermarket.



Why does an Aye-Aye have an abnormally long finger on its hand? To get grubs out of trees. Why do other members of the lemur family not have this? Because they don't need it, they branched off and developed other attributes that best suited their environment (in mainland Africa superior speed and agility, strength in numbers, to escape apex predators not found on Madagascar).
Sounds good. Back to the topic.
 

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