Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (17 Viewers)

[Sheik Yerbouti]

In the end God is communicating with you. He's even used members on here to talk through to you but you're unwilling to receive. If you keep sending text messages to a phone without service the poghone won't receive them no matter how many ways you contact it SMS , email or call

This all-knowing god would certainly know that such means of communication will not work. He knows that none of you here have given (and maybe none of you ever will give) me a convincing argument. He can also read my mind and determine that I'll believe in him if he simply appeared in front of my eyes. Yet he uses means that do not work. You are reinforcing my belief that god is a poor communicator.

 

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The problem with the atheist is that he ( and the majority of atheists appear to be male in various studies) doesn't understand that rationality alone only tells part of the story.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

This all-knowing god would certainly know that such means of communication will not work. He knows that none of you here have given (and maybe none of you ever will give) me a convincing argument. He can also read my mind and determine that I'll believe in him if he simply appeared in front of my eyes. Yet he uses means that do not work. You are reinforcing my belief that god is a poor communicator.

If that is how you see it but people whom were unbelievers come to believe all the time and vice versa so its not God that's the issue he is the constant. While we are the changing. In the end the real issue is that non believers will always need the empirical while believers see beyond their eyes and ears

 

[AndreaCristiano]

The problem with the atheist is that he ( and the majority of atheists appear to be male in various studies) doesn't understand that rationality alone only tells part of the story.

Lock themselves in the sensory without going beyond

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

36%is a minority.

To me my faith isn't anecdotal. Between the evidence and my personal experience it makes it the one for me. I can not speak of others

What I meant to say is that even if a Hindu(or even a huge number of them) told you that they've experienced Vishnu, you not become a Hindu believer.

Yes just like in the 70's the prevailing scientific wisdom was global cooling and then came global warming and now climate change. Just because the direction seems concrete don't think it will stay that way

Argumentum ad populum. It'll all be fallacious no matter what side is larger. Evidence will settle the score.

 

[JuveJay]

The problem with the atheist is that he ( and the majority of atheists appear to be male in various studies) doesn't understand that rationality alone only tells part of the story.

So you're saying religion is irrational?

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I'm afraid you're all chemical.

It seems we all are.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

What I meant to say is that even if a Hindu(or even a huge number of them) told you that they've experienced Vishnu, you not become a Hindu believer.



Argumentum ad populum. It'll all be fallacious no matter what side is larger. Evidence will settle the score.

Yet there will never be evidence to disprove so how can evidence prove anything?

 

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Lock themselves in the sensory without going beyond

Even though sensory alone points to the glory of God, the universe is full of his power and signs. But the atheist chooses to close his heart and give credit to terms like science and Mother Nature.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Even though sensory alone points to the glory of God, the universe is full of his power and signs. But the atheist chooses to close his heart and give credit to terms like science and Mother Nature.

To me science is only the how God works not the why

 

[JuveJay]

That's possible but scientist have studied animals and humans and we are the only ones at a very early age that identifies with the supernatural and deity.

Animals aren't intelligent enough to formulate things like the human brain can; thought processes, strategy, meaning. If they could they would be driving cars and using the internet as well.

 

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So you're saying religion is irrational?

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It seems we all are.

Not at all, the basis of religion is rational. Read what I said closely. I said rationality only tells part of the story, not the full one.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

The problem with the atheist is that he ( and the majority of atheists appear to be male in various studies) doesn't understand that rationality alone only tells part of the story.

It's a pity that the other side of the story, as told by god or his prophets, is usually unbelievable to us.

If that is how you see it but people whom were unbelievers come to believe all the time and vice versa so its not God that's the issue he is the constant. While we are the changing. In the end the real issue is that non believers will always need the empirical while believers see beyond their eyes and ears

Yes, then why can't god just give the empirical evidence? Why's he being so stubborn and arrogant?

 

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Animals aren't intelligent enough to formulate things like the human brain can; thought processes, strategy, meaning. If they could they would be driving cars and using the internet as well.

Great point, which is why the human is God's special creation.

 

[JuveJay]

Great point, which is why the human is God's special creation.

The most evolved.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

It's a pity that the other side of the story, as told by god or his prophets, is usually unbelievable to us.



Yes, then why can't god just give the empirical evidence? Why's he being so stubborn and arrogant?

He has given enough you just choose to attribute it to mother nature etc etc like I said science explains how God works for our minds not the why

 

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It's a pity that the other side of the story, as told by god or his prophets, is usually unbelievable to us.



Yes, then why can't god just give the empirical evidence? Why's he being so stubborn and arrogant?

That is the whole test in the first place. Your own stubbornness and arrogance, which you deny by projecting it onto God, is what keeps you blind from realising the possibility of a higher power.

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The most evolved.

Call it what you like, but we are certainly the most special of species. The very fact the we humans exist points to God.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

The most evolved.

Not really. We are the only animals with reason , intellect and a theory of mind other animals will never receive those

 

[JuveJay]

Not really. We are the only animals with reason , intellect and a theory of mind other animals will never receive those

Through evolution.

 

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Through evolution.

You speak of evolution as though it's some sort of conscious power.

Even if evolution were completely true, it was certainly controlled.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Through evolution.

That's neither here nor there the point is we are the only ones that will ever have those three attributes those that are the reason why we are made in the image of God not our actual appearance like most think